Mike Schopp's QB Type Glossary of Terms

[Fadingpain]

What say ye regarding this set of QB definitions?

 

http://www.wgr550.com/NFL-quarterback-designations-ranked/22160668

 

What's more fun in sports to discuss than NFL quarterbacks? So many versions of this parlor game: eye test vs. statistics, wins vs. yards, personality vs. performance. If it were an actual game you could play with friends surely it would be called Cam Newton, or at least he's the picture on the box.

The Bills this season have merged onto the quarterback highway -- the Quarter-bahn, if you will -- with their new man, Tyrod Taylor, which is an improvement over the pulled-over-with-the-hood-up-and-flashers-on EJ Manuel existence. But where Taylor falls, and what happens to him down the long road is difficult to predict.

Here are some terms commonly used to classify quarterbacks, and who goes with:

"Elite" -- There's calling a quarterback elite, and then there's, these days, inevitably, watching the ceiling crumble onto your head just for trying. "Is Joe Flacco Elite?" sits next to "Would you kill Baby Hitler?" on a scrap-heap of questions asked presidential candidates in a subversive effort to make America look like the stupidest nation in history.

No, Joe Flacco is not elite. So there. Of 32 starting quarterbacks in the league right now only two are elite: Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady. To qualify, you must be indisputably great, not past your prime, and, preferably, a former champion. If there's any argument against a player, he's not elite.

"Franchise" -- Philip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger, Russell Wilson, Tony Romo, Andy Dalton, Cam Newton, Andrew Luck, Matt Ryan, Carson Palmer, Drew Brees, Eli Manning. Their teams don't stew over whether their quarterback is good enough, or at least they shouldn't. Before this season I wouldn't have put Dalton on this list, but he's been excellent and he has the commitment from the Bengals.

It's not a great fit calling Palmer a "franchise quarterback" as with his being 36 it's unlikely the Cardinals employ him for years to come, and, unlike almost everyone else on this list, he hasn't always played for one franchise.

Another way to look at this group is to use a phrase for some reason I hear Rich Gannon using: "long-term solution". It's used more often as a question -- "Is he their long-term solution?" -- than a descriptor.

"Second-tier" -- Joe Flacco, Ryan Tannehill, Matthew Stafford, Jay Cutler. The so-called second tier actually might be the third; otherwise, it's pretty crowded. These quarterbacks have had big seasons, and, with the exception of Tannehill, playoff appearances. It's wrong to say you can't win with them, since teams have won with them. Strangely, all these quarterbacks could also be called the ever-popular "gunslingers", a term meant as a compliment but also implies recklessness.

"Peyton Manning" -- Peyton Manning.

"Hopeful" -- Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota, Teddy Bridgewater, Derek Carr, Blake Bortles, Sam Bradford, Tyrod Taylor. Mostly high draft picks thrown in by desperate teams hoping for "long-term solutions". I wanted the word "Project" for this category but most of these players were picked too high to be called projects. Bradford of course is older but he's missed so much time to injury and been traded, so I think the Eagles are hoping he turns out, much the way a team does with its high-pick rookies.

This is where I put Taylor, because where else can you? Does it work? Please leave comments.

"Stop-gap" -- Kirk Cousins, Nick Foles, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Josh McCown. No one outside of certain party loyalists would see any of these players as "long-term solutions" or "second-tier" or anything of the sort. They are playing for their teams until their teams get someone better.

"Game manager" -- Alex Smith. I think the term "game manager" should be changed to "Alex Smith". You go a season without a passing touchdown to a wide receiver -- when your team is pretty good -- something should be named for you. I want Alex Smith in retirement to open a "Game Manager" camp where quarterbacks can learn how to look downfield and flip the ball to a running back over and over. Maybe there could be a sports bar called "Game Managers" where you order a good craft beer and they bring you a less-potent "safer" beer instead. Instead of truffle fries they bring you cottage cheese, etc.

"Nowhere" -- Brian Hoyer, Blaine Gabbert/Colin Kaepernick.

What's fun about Taylor now is that he's been good enough for you to reasonably consider his moving up in class. Elite? I don't know. But, franchise? It's possible. "Second-tier"? Yes. Taylor's adjusted yards gained per pass attempt through Week 9 is tied with Rodgers for fourth in the league, behind only Palmer, Dalton and Brady. That's a great stat. It's also only been six games.

At least with Taylor I think if order fries, I'll get fries.

[quinnearlysghost88]

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[26CornerBlitz]

What say ye regarding this set of QB definitions?

 

http://www.wgr550.com/NFL-quarterback-designations-ranked/22160668

 

What's more fun in sports to discuss than NFL quarterbacks? So many versions of this parlor game: eye test vs. statistics, wins vs. yards, personality vs. performance. If it were an actual game you could play with friends surely it would be called Cam Newton, or at least he's the picture on the box.

The Bills this season have merged onto the quarterback highway -- the Quarter-bahn, if you will -- with their new man, Tyrod Taylor, which is an improvement over the pulled-over-with-the-hood-up-and-flashers-on EJ Manuel existence. But where Taylor falls, and what happens to him down the long road is difficult to predict.

 

Here are some terms commonly used to classify quarterbacks, and who goes with:

 

"Elite" -- There's calling a quarterback elite, and then there's, these days, inevitably, watching the ceiling crumble onto your head just for trying. "Is Joe Flacco Elite?" sits next to "Would you kill Baby Hitler?" on a scrap-heap of questions asked presidential candidates in a subversive effort to make America look like the stupidest nation in history.

 

No, Joe Flacco is not elite. So there. Of 32 starting quarterbacks in the league right now only two are elite: Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady. To qualify, you must be indisputably great, not past your prime, and, preferably, a former champion. If there's any argument against a player, he's not elite.

 

"Franchise" -- Philip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger, Russell Wilson, Tony Romo, Andy Dalton, Cam Newton, Andrew Luck, Matt Ryan, Carson Palmer, Drew Brees, Eli Manning. Their teams don't stew over whether their quarterback is good enough, or at least they shouldn't. Before this season I wouldn't have put Dalton on this list, but he's been excellent and he has the commitment from the Bengals.

 

It's not a great fit calling Palmer a "franchise quarterback" as with his being 36 it's unlikely the Cardinals employ him for years to come, and, unlike almost everyone else on this list, he hasn't always played for one franchise.

 

Another way to look at this group is to use a phrase for some reason I hear Rich Gannon using: "long-term solution". It's used more often as a question -- "Is he their long-term solution?" -- than a descriptor.

 

"Second-tier" -- Joe Flacco, Ryan Tannehill, Matthew Stafford, Jay Cutler. The so-called second tier actually might be the third; otherwise, it's pretty crowded. These quarterbacks have had big seasons, and, with the exception of Tannehill, playoff appearances. It's wrong to say you can't win with them, since teams have won with them. Strangely, all these quarterbacks could also be called the ever-popular "gunslingers", a term meant as a compliment but also implies recklessness.

 

"Peyton Manning" -- Peyton Manning.

 

"Hopeful" -- Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota, Teddy Bridgewater, Derek Carr, Blake Bortles, Sam Bradford, Tyrod Taylor. Mostly high draft picks thrown in by desperate teams hoping for "long-term solutions". I wanted the word "Project" for this category but most of these players were picked too high to be called projects. Bradford of course is older but he's missed so much time to injury and been traded, so I think the Eagles are hoping he turns out, much the way a team does with its high-pick rookies.

 

This is where I put Taylor, because where else can you? Does it work? Please leave comments.

 

"Stop-gap" -- Kirk Cousins, Nick Foles, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Josh McCown. No one outside of certain party loyalists would see any of these players as "long-term solutions" or "second-tier" or anything of the sort. They are playing for their teams until their teams get someone better.

 

"Game manager" -- Alex Smith. I think the term "game manager" should be changed to "Alex Smith". You go a season without a passing touchdown to a wide receiver -- when your team is pretty good -- something should be named for you. I want Alex Smith in retirement to open a "Game Manager" camp where quarterbacks can learn how to look downfield and flip the ball to a running back over and over. Maybe there could be a sports bar called "Game Managers" where you order a good craft beer and they bring you a less-potent "safer" beer instead. Instead of truffle fries they bring you cottage cheese, etc.

 

"Nowhere" -- Brian Hoyer, Blaine Gabbert/Colin Kaepernick.

 

What's fun about Taylor now is that he's been good enough for you to reasonably consider his moving up in class. Elite? I don't know. But, franchise? It's possible. "Second-tier"? Yes. Taylor's adjusted yards gained per pass attempt through Week 9 is tied with Rodgers for fourth in the league, behind only Palmer, Dalton and Brady. That's a great stat. It's also only been six games.

 

At least with Taylor I think if order fries, I'll get fries.

 

After all of that, No picture?

 

[Dirtbag]

side note: i think that coach sal just recently learned the word "aesthetically" since I heard him use it on three different occasions last week.

[PromoTheRobot]

I have an idea. Let's cut Tyrod Taylor and see what we think of him when he's on another team?

[Fadingpain]

side note: i think that coach sal just recently learned the word "aesthetically" since I heard him use it on three different occasions last week.

Funny you mention that; I noticed his use of the word as well.

 

He's not that bright.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

For once I'd tend to agree with him for the most part as to where he's put in each category. The one exception know way would I put Russell Wilson in the franchise group. He's looking kind of ordinary this season without the great defense, running game and O-line.

 

For now I'd place him 2nd tier, but if Seattle drops off as can't afford all these high price contracts, starting with his, wouldn't shock me in a couple of years to see him dropping down to the game manager grouping.

 

I've never been that impressed by him if you took away the team around him.

[GunnerBill]

I am sorry if Flacco is in the same category as Tannehill we need to shut down the NFL. Flacco should be in the Franchise group and Tannehill belongs with Alex Smith. Those screen passes do not lead to winning seasons.

[Deranged Rhino]

I am sorry if Flacco is in the same category as Tannehill we need to shut down the NFL. Flacco should be in the Franchise group and Tannehill belongs with Alex Smith. Those screen passes do not lead to winning seasons.

 

100%. Flacco is a franchise QB with a ring.

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100%. Flacco is a franchise QB with a ring.

Flacco is the least respected good QB in the NFL, just ahead of Eli Manning.

 

Tannehill is not bad, but I think many Bills fans only see him against the Bills and assume he is horrible.

 

I agree Flacco and Tannehill don't belong in the same category though.

[GunnerBill]

Flacco is the least respected good QB in the NFL, just ahead of Eli Manning.

 

Tannehill is not bad, but I think many Bills fans only see him against the Bills and assume he is horrible.

 

I agree Flacco and Tannehill don't belong in the same category though.

I see plenty of Tannehill he is Alex Smith.

[Fadingpain]

I see plenty of Tannehill he is Alex Smith.

He's arguably better than that in my opinion but neither is really what you want.

 

Smith will stay that way but Tannehill still has some potential for improvement.