FireChan Posted November 12, 2015 Posted November 12, 2015 I heard Bart Scott talk about this last night on the radio show he does on CBS. He said he speaks "Fluent Rex" and everything he does with the captains week to week is to lift up his own guys. He believes in it as a coach, and gives zero !@#$s about what anyone other than his own team thinks. People who hate the "PR side" of it - that's their choice. Maybe the they will win, maybe they won't, but this won't be the reason. Neither of the players involved in this - IK or Geno - are playing in this game. IK may see a few snaps. If the other Jets somehow find motivation in the fact IK is watching the coin flip - they didn't have enough to begin with. The flipside is, if members of the team find motivation to win by being made a meaningless captain because of a geographical location, they didn't have enough to begin with.
Wayne Cubed Posted November 12, 2015 Posted November 12, 2015 Because I haven't read this entire thread, was anyone upset when Incognito was a captain for BOTH Miami games? I don't remember seeing a thread with people completely upset about it... maybe I missed it?
FireChan Posted November 12, 2015 Posted November 12, 2015 Because I haven't read this entire thread, was anyone upset when Incognito was a captain for BOTH Miami games? I don't remember seeing a thread with people completely upset about it... maybe I missed it? No. But then again, Richie was basically vindicated, and the player in question was no longer on the team. If J-Mart was still there, you probably would've heard about it.
YoloinOhio Posted November 12, 2015 Posted November 12, 2015 (edited) Because I haven't read this entire thread, was anyone upset when Incognito was a captain for BOTH Miami games? I don't remember seeing a thread with people completely upset about it... maybe I missed it? I for one was pissed. Because football is supposed to be all about class and manners vs. gaining an edge. Just ask Belitroll. Edited November 12, 2015 by YoloinOhio
Wayne Cubed Posted November 12, 2015 Posted November 12, 2015 (edited) No. But then again, Richie was basically vindicated, and the player in question was no longer on the team. If J-Mart was still there, you probably would've heard about it. So, the only reason to get upset about it is because Geno is still on the team? Does it matter that he's not a starter? Edited November 12, 2015 by Wayne Cubed
FireChan Posted November 12, 2015 Posted November 12, 2015 (edited) So, the only reason to get upset about is because Geno is still on the team? Does it matter that he's not a starter? I don't think anyone is "upset." You can hold a negative opinion without being hysterical. And yes. The media didn't cover the Incognito thing one bit, because Martin is gone. There's no "sides" it's just his old team. With Geno, it's the guy who assaulted him being made a captain against his team. That's gonna draw headlines. I don't particularly care, but I wouldn't have made IK a captain. The excuse, "this is what I always do" is sorta bogus. And I'm not "upset." Edited November 12, 2015 by FireChan
Wayne Cubed Posted November 12, 2015 Posted November 12, 2015 I don't think anyone is "upset." You can hold a negative opinion without being hysterical. And yes. The media didn't cover the Incognito thing one bit, because Martin is gone. There's no "sides" it's just his old team. With Geno, it's the guy who assaulted him being made a captain against his team. That's gonna draw headlines. I don't particularly care, but I wouldn't have made IK a captain. The excuse, "this is what I always do" is sorta bogus. And I'm not "upset." There's a couple people, in this thread, that have come across as "upset" over what the PR means to the Bills. I didn't mean to imply that you were one of them. I'd say the media didn't cover the Incognito being a captain because 1. It's not the NYC media, 2. Miami isn't Rex's former team and 3. As you said, Martin isn't on the team anymore. I don't think "this is what I do" is that bogus. If he doesn't choose IK to be a captain does the NYC story become "Rex, you always have former players as game day captains and IK isn't one of them, are you being a hypocrite?" I don't know if it would the story but I could see it happening.
YoloinOhio Posted November 12, 2015 Posted November 12, 2015 (edited) There's a couple people, in this thread, that have come across as "upset" over what the PR means to the Bills. I didn't mean to imply that you were one of them. I'd say the media didn't cover the Incognito being a captain because 1. It's not the NYC media, 2. Miami isn't Rex's former team and 3. As you said, Martin isn't on the team anymore. I don't think "this is what I do" is that bogus. If he doesn't choose IK to be a captain does the NYC story become "Rex, you always have former players as game day captains and IK isn't one of them, are you being a hypocrite?" I don't know if it would the story but I could see it happening. Yep - or, "are you punishing IK by not making him a captain vs his former team? Has he been a poor teammate since he got here? Why isn't being treated like everyone else, since he already served his suspension?" The stories were written the day IK was signed, with a "choose your own ending narrative" based on what actually happened. Edited November 12, 2015 by YoloinOhio
FireChan Posted November 12, 2015 Posted November 12, 2015 There's a couple people, in this thread, that have come across as "upset" over what the PR means to the Bills. I didn't mean to imply that you were one of them. I'd say the media didn't cover the Incognito being a captain because 1. It's not the NYC media, 2. Miami isn't Rex's former team and 3. As you said, Martin isn't on the team anymore. I don't think "this is what I do" is that bogus. If he doesn't choose IK to be a captain does the NYC story become "Rex, you always have former players as game day captains and IK isn't one of them, are you being a hypocrite?" I don't know if it would the story but I could see it happening. I don't, because that's being a lunatic. NY sports media is crazy, but no one is that crazy. Calling a coach a "hypocrite" (I don't know why that would be the story, he's just choosing not to do that in this instance, a tactful decision) would be bananas. In fact, I'd say the storyline would probably be that Rex has lost his fire andor flair. Good thing he doesn't care about the headlines.
Kelly the Dog Posted November 12, 2015 Posted November 12, 2015 The flipside is, if members of the team find motivation to win by being made a meaningless captain because of a geographical location, they didn't have enough to begin with. True but it's not really about added motivation. It's for them to experience something they don't normally do, to have a couple laughs and digs with former teammates in the middle of the field, to have their friends and family members in the stands see them as captains at midfield, to make them feel acknowledged by their own coach, etc.
K-9 Posted November 12, 2015 Posted November 12, 2015 True but it's not really about added motivation. It's for them to experience something they don't normally do, to have a couple laughs and digs with former teammates in the middle of the field, to have their friends and family members in the stands see them as captains at midfield, to make them feel acknowledged by their own coach, etc. And all of that is fantastic, truly. But the infamy of IK's departure and the fact it is on the road, should have precluded Rex from following his custom in this instance. Just not good judgement in this one case. GO BILLS!!!
Kelly the Dog Posted November 12, 2015 Posted November 12, 2015 (edited) I don't think anyone is "upset." You can hold a negative opinion without being hysterical. And yes. The media didn't cover the Incognito thing one bit, because Martin is gone. There's no "sides" it's just his old team. With Geno, it's the guy who assaulted him being made a captain against his team. That's gonna draw headlines. I don't particularly care, but I wouldn't have made IK a captain. The excuse, "this is what I always do" is sorta bogus. And I'm not "upset." What people are continually missing in this is that Rex never named him captain. It had never crossed his mind. The reporters asked him about it and when he thought about it for a second he said yeah, I am going to, that's what I always do. There wasn't any thought about it beforehand. There wasn't any decision. If they hadn't asked him about it sometime on Thursday when he was getting ready for the game he would have thought about who is the captain and it would be automatic, Mulligan and IK and Hogan because he's from NJ. You could see Rex thinking about the ex Jets on the team and the guys from NJ. Then he went on to say that he wasn't going to let Incognito who is from NJ be a captain because he's been a captain so much already this year after twice against the Dolphins. And all of that is fantastic, truly. But the infamy of IK's departure and the fact it is on the road, should have precluded Rex from following his custom in this instance. Just not good judgement in this one case. GO BILLS!!! See above. Edited November 12, 2015 by Kelly the Dog
YoloinOhio Posted November 12, 2015 Posted November 12, 2015 (edited) And all of that is fantastic, truly. But the infamy of IK's departure and the fact it is on the road, should have precluded Rex from following his custom in this instance. Just not good judgement in this one case. GO BILLS!!! Here is how I would have handled it if I were Rex: He was asked on Monday in his press conference about whether IK would be captain. "It's possible, since that's what we've done in the past with players facing former teams. We just have not gotten to naming captains yet so I don't know." Follow up "Why would there be a question since you've always done it that way? Seems obvious that he'd be out there" Rex: "I'm on 3 hours sleep and knee deep in game planning. We will be looking at the roster, talking to the team and making decisions as we get closer. I really don't have an answer on captains right now. My biggest concern is the game itself." -rinse and repeat on Tuesday- No media access Wednesday Thursday night, IK goes out with captains. Game starts immediately after and no time for pregame drama. But, Rex didn't do that because he believes in what he does and doesn't give a flip what the media thinks. Love it or hate it, he coaches his players up by the captains process regardless of media narrative on what it "means" Edited November 12, 2015 by YoloinOhio
K-9 Posted November 12, 2015 Posted November 12, 2015 What people are continually missing in this is that Rex never named him captain. It had never crossed his mind. The reporters asked him about it and when he thought about it for a second he said yeah, I am going to, that's what I always do. There wasn't any thought about it beforehand. There wasn't any decision. If they hadn't asked him about it sometime on Thursday when he was getting ready for the game he would have thought about who is the captain and it would be automatic, Mulligan and IK and Hogan because he's from NJ. You could see Rex thinking about the ex Jets on the team and the guys from NJ. Then he went on to say that he wasn't going to let Incognito who is from NJ be a captain because he's been a captain so much already this year after twice against the Dolphins. See above. I don't believe Ryan for a second when he says IK didn't occur to him. This is such a tradition with him going back years, it strains credulity for me to think he doesn't know exactly who has ties to an upcoming opponent. He should have constrained himself in this one instance. GO BILLS!!!
Kelly the Dog Posted November 12, 2015 Posted November 12, 2015 I don't believe Ryan for a second when he says IK didn't occur to him. This is such a tradition with him going back years, it strains credulity for me to think he doesn't know exactly who has ties to an upcoming opponent. He should have constrained himself in this one instance. GO BILLS!!! I wouldn't either but you can see it on the press conference. You can see him confused, see him thinking, and then see how he responds. Go watch it. I doubt you will think it was all an act. He would have to be amongst the world's greatest actors to pull that off. I'm not sure why anyone would even think for a second that four days before the game Ryan was wondering and planning who his captains were going to be.
K-9 Posted November 12, 2015 Posted November 12, 2015 I wouldn't either but you can see it on the press conference. You can see him confused, see him thinking, and then see how he responds. Go watch it. I doubt you will think it was all an act. He would have to be amongst the world's greatest actors to pull that off. I'm not sure why anyone would even think for a second that four days before the game Ryan was wondering and planning who his captains were going to be. Rex's natural countenance is one of confusion. And the point is not WHEN he considered his captains, whether four days or four minutes before the game; the point is he never should have considered IK at all, regardless of when. GO BILLS!!!
ExiledInIllinois Posted November 12, 2015 Posted November 12, 2015 What's the big deal... His goal is to get people talking... THAT he did. Rex is passioned and does things his own way. Many won't see this way, but to me he is a bridge builder. By gones be by gones. He just isn't stuffy and mean. THERE IS ALWAYS TIME FOR OPEN DIALOG... Rex is one hell of a personality... BUT he lays it all out there on the table. Good for him...
Kelly the Dog Posted November 12, 2015 Posted November 12, 2015 Rex's natural countenance is one of confusion. And the point is not WHEN he considered his captains, whether four days or four minutes before the game; the point is he never should have considered IK at all, regardless of when. GO BILLS!!! No. It is the point. He didn't plan it or announce it or give it any thought. If reporters didn't make a controversy out of it the first anyone ever would have thought about it would have been at the middle of the field and the Jet players would have been getting a kick out of it. They would be the only ones who already would have known. They probably would have kissed him. The media KNEW that's what he always did because that's how they asked the question.
K-9 Posted November 12, 2015 Posted November 12, 2015 No. It is the point. He didn't plan it or announce it or give it any thought. If reporters didn't make a controversy out of it the first anyone ever would have thought about it would have been at the middle of the field and the Jet players would have been getting a kick out of it. They would be the only ones who already would have known. They probably would have kissed him. The media KNEW that's what he always did because that's how they asked the question. Did he have to name IK a captain or not? Whether he gave it any thought or not, he didn't have to. And if he were any brighter, he wouldn't have given the media exactly what they wanted and simply said he won't know until game time. But, as usual, Rex just couldn't help himself. And phuck the media and their manufactured outrage. It's too bad Rex enjoys it so much. Not a trait I like in a coach. Naming IK captain means nothing in terms of impact on the game, etc. But some coaching decisions are better than others and for my money, this is not a good decision by Ryan given the nature of IK's departure from NY. And like when Bubba ran out of things to do with shrimp, I have run out of things to say about this subject. GO BILLS!!!
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