CountDorkula Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) What? Of course he does. Drafting EJ is an example of reaching for a QB when the talent isn't there. That IMO is a bad strategy, and one we should not employ in future drafts. Are we just not allowed to mention his name anymore because you were wrong and it makes you feel bad? Is that what's bothering you? What are you talking about? How was I wrong about anything. I have nothing to do with what the Bills do. But cool insult "bro" Sammy wants his attention back. Reaching for a player is only a reach if he doesn't pan out. If the Bills "reach for a QB" and he pans out, is that still a reach? AKA, EJ has nothing to do with what happens from here on out. Edited November 9, 2015 by CountDorkula
John from Riverside Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 Too early to tell. I agree with Count that it is too early to tell A couple of thoughts - We need to see if TT can be durable for a entire season.....a couple of games is acceptable (and the bills need to account for that in their backup QB) but - if he goes down multiple times in a season......we need to reevaluate that
jeffismagic Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 Too early to tell. This. As of now, no. Tyrod keeps playing like he is and we have our guy, if the wheels fall off we draft someone.
billstein22 Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 What are you talking about? How was I wrong about anything. I have nothing to do with what the Bills do. But cool insult "bro" Sammy wants his attention back. Reaching for a player is only a reach if he doesn't pan out. If the Bills "reach for a QB" and he pans out, is that still a reach? AKA, EJ has nothing to do with what happens from here on out. ...what? Anyway, this isn't that difficult. EJ is an example of trying to select a QB early on in the draft, when there are more talented (ie., players who are more likely to hit than miss) players available. We shouldn't do that as there are better ways to use our first round pick. With respect to the 2016 draft, I do not believe there will be any true first round talents available when we make our first round pick. If that's the case, then we should not use a first round pick on a QB. A reach is a reach, whether it works out or not. If it works out, then great. But it is illogical given that players available in the beginning of the draft have a greater likelihood of panning out. Why draft a QB who will be available later on in the draft when you could use that pick on a player with greater talent / higher probability of success? You could always take the QB in one of the following rounds.
OldTimer1960 Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 I don't know what the QB class is going to look like, but if the Bills finish 8-8 or better they are likely out of range for any outstanding QB prospects that might be in the draft. I've seen some of Connor Cook. I admit I haven't watched him a lot, but what I saw wasn't that impressive. Coupled with a 58% completion rate in college, I have to think he isn't a 1st round caliber player, though he could be drafted in the first just because QB prospects are always elevated due to the large need in the NFL.
Freddie's Dead Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 Given the fact that our quarter-billion (yes, billion) dollar quartet puts up about as much pressure as a feather duster, I'm making DL a priority. Unless you want to keep paying Mario $19M/year for setting the edge. Even if Mario stays, you have to be thinking about the future here. My draft needs: 1. OL 2. DL 3. LB 4. QB (if one is available and worth it at the pick)
YoloinOhio Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) Can't answer definitely until the season is over. At this point, yes.if TT stays healthy, we make the playoffs, and he plays well throughout - I may change my mind. I don't know what the QB class is going to look like, but if the Bills finish 8-8 or better they are likely out of range for any outstanding QB prospects that might be in the draft. I've seen some of Connor Cook. I admit I haven't watched him a lot, but what I saw wasn't that impressive. Coupled with a 58% completion rate in college, I have to think he isn't a 1st round caliber player, though he could be drafted in the first just because QB prospects are always elevated due to the large need in the NFL. i believe there will be a QB with a 1st round grade available at or close to the Bills pick. And they should do what they need to do to get him. The top 5 guys in the draft are not QBs. There are also teams who will draft high who won't take a QB. Edited November 9, 2015 by YoloinOhio
OldTimer1960 Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) ...what? Anyway, this isn't that difficult. EJ is an example of trying to select a QB early on in the draft, when there are more talented (ie., players who are more likely to hit than miss) players available. We shouldn't do that as there are better ways to use our first round pick. With respect to the 2016 draft, I do not believe there will be any true first round talents available when we make our first round pick. If that's the case, then we should not use a first round pick on a QB. A reach is a reach, whether it works out or not. If it works out, then great. But it is illogical given that players available in the beginning of the draft have a greater likelihood of panning out. Why draft a QB who will be available later on in the draft when you could use that pick on a player with greater talent / higher probability of success? You could always take the QB in one of the following rounds. I'm in general agreement, but your point about a reach is questionable. What is a reach? Nobody ever knows where NFL teams generally grade each player. I am certain that even among NFL teams that there are wide disparities in the grade of many players - that is, team A may grade Joe Smith very highly and Team B may grade him considerably lower. It is an oversimplification to think that there is just this list that ranks players in order from 1 to 200 and everyone agrees with it. In addition, let's take the QB example that you used. Let's say that our beloved Bills have QB Billy Bob Bomber rated as the 40th best player in the draft. If the Bills are picking 20th and they desperately need a QB (most important position in NFL), I might argue that they should go ahead and select Mr. Bomber. If they wait until the 2nd, even if they trade up into the top of the 2nd, that guy might not be there. The argument could be made in the reverse too, so there is no clear cut answer. Edited November 9, 2015 by OldTimer1960
Luxy312 Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 I don't see any possibility that the Bills are drafting quarterback next year in the first round. Just look at how efficient the kid has been under center. His completion percentage is only worse than Romo and Weeden as starters. 10 TD passes to only 4 INT's. So barring some major meltdown from Tyrod where he doesn't continue to perform at a high level, the Bills have their franchise QB. To boot, the Bills are not in the position to simply draft "best available player". Like most others here on the board, I would think that OL will be a team priority. I'm not sure whether DL or LB's would follow that, but the order is irrelevant. They have more needs to fill, then now drafting a QB that could possibly not have a start int he next 6-8 years. Folly is what I call it.
PromoTheRobot Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 Two things that love treadmills: 1)Hamsters 2)Bills fans
FireChan Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 If they don't draft a QB in rounds 1-3, I'll lose it.
LeGOATski Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 Connor Cook is the man. Do everything they can to get him.
strive_for_five_guy Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 The 31st pick will be best spent on OL help.
Canadian Bills Fan Posted November 9, 2015 Author Posted November 9, 2015 The 31st pick will be best spent on OL help. So your saying we lose the SB? CBF
strive_for_five_guy Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 So your saying we lose the SB? CBF Nope, win. Pats lose a 1st round pick next year 😎
GunnerBill Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 If they don't draft a QB in rounds 1-3, I'll lose it. Yep. Even if they think Tyrod is the guy they need to take a QB somewhere. If Tyrod continues to play well I'd maybe stretch 1-3 to 1-4.... but they need to take one.
Canadian Bills Fan Posted November 9, 2015 Author Posted November 9, 2015 Nope, win. Pats lose a 1st round pick next year haha I forgot about that CBF
Chandler#81 Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 I'd put linebacker as #1 priority. You need a quick linebacker with top shelf tackling skills if you're opponents are going to dink and dunk you with the quick short passes. I believe NB will be playing for somebody else in 2016. Maybe we can work a trade with philly for Alonzo..
billstein22 Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 I'm in general agreement, but your point about a reach is questionable. What is a reach? Nobody ever knows where NFL teams generally grade each player. I am certain that even among NFL teams that there are wide disparities in the grade of many players - that is, team A may grade Joe Smith very highly and Team B may grade him considerably lower. It is an oversimplification to think that there is just this list that ranks players in order from 1 to 200 and everyone agrees with it. In addition, let's take the QB example that you used. Let's say that our beloved Bills have QB Billy Bob Bomber rated as the 40th best player in the draft. If the Bills are picking 20th and they desperately need a QB (most important position in NFL), I might argue that they should go ahead and select Mr. Bomber. If they wait until the 2nd, even if they trade up into the top of the 2nd, that guy might not be there. The argument could be made in the reverse too, so there is no clear cut answer. You're right that it is an oversimplification, but there is a general feel for who is going to be drafted in the first couple of rounds / who will be available much later on in the draft. As for your example, yes I think that would be an appropriate time to "reach" as the QB would no longer be available the next time the Bills are up. There are players who you can safely project as mid-round draft picks (e.g., Grayson, Petty, Hundley in the 2015 draft). Do you really want to use a coveted first round pick on them? It's a question of value-add with respect to a.) the value of your draft pick, b.) the projected value of the player in question, and c.) the opportunity cost of selecting a different player projected as a true first round talent and potentially missing out on the mid-round player.
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