John from Riverside Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 What does salary have to do with passing yards? Tannehill is a pretty good QB. You don't complete 17 straight on pure luck. Might be one day he'll cross from pretty good into Very Good and or Great. Tyrod has done very well (more often than not) too in the 6 total games he's played. Do you know what strikes me funny - How all of a sudden getting 250 + passing yards per game isn't as important now as compared to last season. (1) One thing I've found rather amusing ... you are like a dog with a bone. You just won't give up on it. Said arguing taught me a lesson. (2) Yes, you have. Too many. You have to accept that everyone has a right to their own opinion and that people do make mistakes. (3) Those negatives you list are important and could become a huge hindrance in his growth an an NFL QB. Have you taken a look at how many times qbs have gawdy passing numbers and LOSE?
billykaykay Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 No we actually haven't. Not enough. Perhaps we sometimes forget that this was only his 6th game in his career.
birdog1960 Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 He has a pig face.... really? don't see it. but I did see a very bloody mouth guard he was biting in the huddle just before his first bomb. he had a facemask done to him the play before.. I thought maybe it was a psychological weapon type thing that was designed to look like that - kinda like the new zealand ruggers psyching out their opponents with the war chant. but that seems a lot more farfetched than a bleeding lip or tongue.
FireChan Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 Perhaps we sometimes forget that this was only his 6th game in his career. I haven't. Which is why I'm not freaking out. But we still haven't seen it too much.
metzelaars_lives Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) What does salary have to do with passing yards? Tannehill is a pretty good QB. You don't complete 17 straight on pure luck. Might be one day he'll cross from pretty good into Very Good and or Great. Tyrod has done very well (more often than not) too in the 6 total games he's played. Do you know what strikes me funny - How all of a sudden getting 250 + passing yards per game isn't as important now as compared to last season. (1) One thing I've found rather amusing ... you are like a dog with a bone. You just won't give up on it. Said arguing taught me a lesson. (2) Yes, you have. Too many. You have to accept that everyone has a right to their own opinion and that people do make mistakes. (3) Those negatives you list are important and could become a huge hindrance in his growth an an NFL QB. You're aware I wasn't talking about you, right? You are the only one who was wrong about EJ that seems to have any sense of humility. I haven't. Which is why I'm not freaking out. But we still haven't seen it too much. I think I'm a little more encouraged about Taylor than you are but I am not ready to declare him the franchise QB either. I think you and I would agree though that it's kind of insane that there exist posters on this very website who were somehow encouraged by what they saw out of EJ after 14 games and are completely discouraged about what they've seen in Taylor through six games. Edited November 9, 2015 by metzelaars_lives
BuffaloHokie13 Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 What does salary have to do with passing yards? Tannehill is a pretty good QB. You don't complete 17 straight on pure luck. Might be one day he'll cross from pretty good into Very Good and or Great. Tyrod has done very well (more often than not) too in the 6 total games he's played. Do you know what strikes me funny - How all of a sudden getting 250 + passing yards per game isn't as important now as compared to last season. (1) One thing I've found rather amusing ... you are like a dog with a bone. You just won't give up on it. Said arguing taught me a lesson. (2) Yes, you have. Too many. You have to accept that everyone has a right to their own opinion and that people do make mistakes. (3) Those negatives you list are important and could become a huge hindrance in his growth an an NFL QB. I think because the offense is scoring more points per game it has eased that pressure. It looks weird, but if Tyrod only throws 12 times and we still put 33 on the scoreboard then I don't think anyone's really upset.
metzelaars_lives Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) I think because the offense is scoring more points per game it has eased that pressure. It looks weird, but if Tyrod only throws 12 times and we still put 33 on the scoreboard then I don't think anyone's really upset. In many cases there is actually an inverse correlation between passing yardage and winning. The numbers that correlate with wins are rushing yards, yards per attempt, all things defense and SCORING. Edited November 9, 2015 by metzelaars_lives
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 In many cases there is actually an inverse correlation between passing yardage and winning. The numbers that correlate with wins are rushing yards, yards per attempt, all things defense and SCORING. Except for the best team in the league.
metzelaars_lives Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 Except for the best team in the league. That's why I said "in many cases." New England is obviously a different type of machine. That being said, I don't think there is a correlation between Brady's passing yards in a given game and their likelihood of winning. If you told me they were going to lose one game this year and he'd have either 400 passing yards or 250, I'd bet they lost the game in which he had 400.
TakeYouToTasker Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 One thing I've found rather amusing is how there seems to be a handful of posters who are continuously wrong time and again in their assessment/predictions as far as who is and will be a good QB and then instead of eating a slice of humble pie, they come on the next time and assert their opinion on the next guy just as loudly and boldly as they did the last guy that they were wrong about. I have spent hours arguing with one guy in particular who I told this summer that Derek Carr had an encouraging rookie year and was primed to bust out this year with some new targets to play with. He said he'd rather have EJ Manuel. The same guy has started numerous threads telling everyone that EJ Manuel is/was better than Ryan Tannehill. The same guy (as did another guy on this very page) insisted that when Taylor went down, it was a blessing in disguise as Manuel would be a clear cut upgrade. The same guy (as did the same other guy quoted just above me) told everyone who would listen that while the jury is still out on EJ, the verdict is in: Tyrod Taylor is and always will be a "terrible" QB. I would encourage people who post on here regularly to start taking note of who says what. It took me a while but now I'm starting to learn who to listen to and who to tune out. Meanwhile, Taylor continues to impress. Besides holding onto the ball a little too long sometimes and being a little timid about making certain throws, could you be any happier so far? I mean, really, think about your mindset in June in terms of what you expected out of the QB position this season. And you continue to intentionally mischaracterize the, or at least, my argument in favor of EJ Manuel. You could at least try approaching the discussion with an iota of intellectual honesty. But you won't, because you're constitutionally incapable.
Kelly the Dog Posted November 9, 2015 Author Posted November 9, 2015 And you continue to intentionally mischaracterize the, or at least, my argument in favor of EJ Manuel. You could at least try approaching the discussion with an iota of intellectual honesty. But you won't, because you're constitutionally incapable. Wait a minute, I don't really follow this kind of thing too much, but are you actually still suggesting or still clinging to the idea that EJ is still a better QB or better option at QB than TT? And I'm known as an EJ supporter if not apologist.
FireChan Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 Wait a minute, I don't really follow this kind of thing too much, but are you actually still suggesting or still clinging to the idea that EJ is still a better QB or better option at QB than TT? And I'm known as an EJ supporter if not apologist. No that's not TYTT's position.
Kelly the Dog Posted November 9, 2015 Author Posted November 9, 2015 No that's not TYTT's position. Ok cool. So i can put my butterfly net away?
Kirby Jackson Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) Wait a minute, I don't really follow this kind of thing too much, but are you actually still suggesting or still clinging to the idea that EJ is still a better QB or better option at QB than TT? And I'm known as an EJ supporter if not apologist. I have been waiting for someone today to suggest that. I can't imagine that anyone would still believe that and if so based on what? It will be fascinating to see someone try to make that case. Edited November 9, 2015 by Kirby Jackson
John from Riverside Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 And you continue to intentionally mischaracterize the, or at least, my argument in favor of EJ Manuel. You could at least try approaching the discussion with an iota of intellectual honesty. But you won't, because you're constitutionally incapable. Because I live in a house full of raider fans....I have seen my fair share of Carr The fact is....he is good....he was good last year even with them losing.....and he is progressively getting better But that is how it goes sometimes.....sometimes you get lucky on a player. Carr was taken in a draft with good qbs......and Ej was taken in a draft with bad qbs But it doesnt matter how you get there only that you find the player.....the bills might have found their player.
GG Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 Ha ha, we have a good QB for the 1st time in years and people tried to put him down to prove that they were right (even when it was clear they were wrong). The guy leads the offense up and down the field only to have some view it as "he takes the unnecessary sack." He takes care of the football, moves the chains on 3rd down and makes big plays. We are fortunate to have found our QB. Don't feel bad. There are still many who think Trentativeness got a raw deal
metzelaars_lives Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) And you continue to intentionally mischaracterize the, or at least, my argument in favor of EJ Manuel. You could at least try approaching the discussion with an iota of intellectual honesty. But you won't, because you're constitutionally incapable. I am not in the business of going back to pull up past threads but I am quite certain that prior to the Cincinnati game there was a thread about why we should have optimism about that game and you said something to the effect of "I expect EJ Manuel to be an upgrade at QB." Am I wrong? I myself did not expect that. Because I live in a house full of raider fans....I have seen my fair share of Carr The fact is....he is good....he was good last year even with them losing.....and he is progressively getting better But that is how it goes sometimes.....sometimes you get lucky on a player. Carr was taken in a draft with good qbs......and Ej was taken in a draft with bad qbs But it doesnt matter how you get there only that you find the player.....the bills might have found their player. To my knowledge, he never insisted Carr sucked and EJ was better. That was a different guy. I have been waiting for someone today to suggest that. I can't imagine that anyone would still believe that and if so based on what? It will be fascinating to see someone try to make that case. There are certainly people on this website who felt better about EJ's chances going into this season than they do about Taylor's chances now. There are also plenty of people who believe that EJ got "screwed" in the preseason and deserved to win the job (even though all they saw was a few preseason quarters and the coaches watched every second of practice over and over and unanimously decided on Taylor in a landslide). Edited November 9, 2015 by metzelaars_lives
TakeYouToTasker Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) Wait a minute, I don't really follow this kind of thing too much, but are you actually still suggesting or still clinging to the idea that EJ is still a better QB or better option at QB than TT? And I'm known as an EJ supporter if not apologist. No, EJ, given the appropriate chance to see if he had progressed in year three, failed. He has not progressed, and should not be the starting quarterback on this team. I would even go so far as to state that strong arguments can be made that he should not be on this team at all. Tyrod Taylor should be this year's starter for the remainer of the season. There is no reasonable counter argument to that position at this point. Because I live in a house full of raider fans....I have seen my fair share of Carr The fact is....he is good....he was good last year even with them losing.....and he is progressively getting better But that is how it goes sometimes.....sometimes you get lucky on a player. Carr was taken in a draft with good qbs......and Ej was taken in a draft with bad qbs But it doesnt matter how you get there only that you find the player.....the bills might have found their player. I've been a huge Carr fan going back to Fresno State. I thought he was the best QB the 2014 class, and am not at all surprised by the success he's having at the next level. Edited November 9, 2015 by TakeYouToTasker
metzelaars_lives Posted November 9, 2015 Posted November 9, 2015 No, EJ, given the appropriate chance to see if he had progressed in year three, failed. He has not progressed, and should not be the starting quarterback on this team. I would even go so far as to state that strong arguments can be made that he should not be on this team at all. Tyrod Taylor should be this year's starter for the remained of the season. There is no reasonable counter argument to that position at this point. Glad you came around. But just a few weeks ago, you insisted that Manuel would be an upgrade going into Cincinnati. I said he would not be. Then you said you'd bet me that the Bills would have more first downs against the Bengals under Manuel than they did against Tennessee under Taylor. They did. They also got McCoy and Watkins back for that game. I could have countered by saying I bet they have less first downs than they did against New England but I was suspended for ten days before I could respond.
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