jr1 Posted November 7, 2015 Posted November 7, 2015 He had 9 catches last game. Granted it wasn't against the best competition but he can produce
Deranged Rhino Posted November 7, 2015 Posted November 7, 2015 He had 9 catches last game. Granted it wasn't against the best competition but he can produce He can produce all over the field. On special teams, blocking downfield, he can also return punts and kickoffs.
Formerly Allan in MD Posted November 7, 2015 Posted November 7, 2015 Yes. He can produce, should be thrown to more, and is a good blocker.
Rob's House Posted November 7, 2015 Posted November 7, 2015 How is an above average starting left tackle less of a priority for most of you than a middling #2/3 receiver? I happen to like Woods but there are a hell of a lot more Robert Woods on this planet than there are Cordy Glenns. Is Robert Woods decidedly better than Chris Hogan? I guess this speaks to the ongoing TBD narrative that the OL always sucks. It doesn't. It's average and Cordy Glenn is above average. This is almost exactly what I was going to say. Woods is a good WR that's worth keeping at a reasonable price, but I don't see him as a game breaking talent. And certainly not as valuable as Glenn, even if Glenn's value has dropped a bit.
Deranged Rhino Posted November 7, 2015 Posted November 7, 2015 This is almost exactly what I was going to say. Woods is a good WR that's worth keeping at a reasonable price, but I don't see him as a game breaking talent. And certainly not as valuable as Glenn, even if Glenn's value has dropped a bit. That's fair. I'm probably the biggest Woods fan on this board and even I wouldn't want to overpay for him.
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 7, 2015 Posted November 7, 2015 why roll the dice and replace him at all though? He was drafted in the 2nd round by this team. He's not a guy who is going to demand a big contract, so extend him now before he hits the market. You already know what he can do. Why sign a FA from another team to replace him when you can keep a guy already here? I'm just curious as I think drafting and developing talent is the way to build a team. I'd obviously still add one in FA or draft, but would hate for it it be a huge "need" here where they need to give a huge contract or use a high pick because they are not re-signing a recent high pick. Also - not sure how many good FA WRs see this QB situation/offense as attractive. It would not be easy to sign someone even as good as Woods. I don't disagree with you. The question is going to be price. If we try to lock him up now, I would expect we might pay a premium. I would be against overpaying for him; but am fine if we want to spend FMV. But this is all academic. Whaley loves the guy and likes to spend money at offensive skill positions, like RB and WR. So I expect we will re-sign him and probably overpay doing it.
YoloinOhio Posted November 7, 2015 Author Posted November 7, 2015 (edited) I don't disagree with you. The question is going to be price. If we try to lock him up now, I would expect we might pay a premium. I would be against overpaying for him; but am fine if we want to spend FMV. But this is all academic. Whaley loves the guy and likes to spend money at offensive skill positions, like RB and WR. So I expect we will re-sign him and probably overpay doing it. i think it's the opposite - you pay a premium if you wait. Identifying players early who you want to keep and extending them before their contract year is usually what teams who have strong roster development do. You end up getting them at a lower price because You believe they are going to continue to just get better and perform more highly, causing their value to go up. Similar to what the Bills did with Robey. Certainly, Woods isn't a finished product at such a young age. WRs often don't hit their prime until around 25. It takes a few years, usually. One thing to keep in mind is they have switched systems since he was drafted and that can screw with draft pick development. I still think he is a good fit, though, because Roman needs his WRs to block well. Edited November 7, 2015 by YoloinOhio
John from Riverside Posted November 7, 2015 Posted November 7, 2015 This is almost exactly what I was going to say. Woods is a good WR that's worth keeping at a reasonable price, but I don't see him as a game breaking talent. And certainly not as valuable as Glenn, even if Glenn's value has dropped a bit. We dont know what his contract demands will be......he hasnt put up number 1 WR stats It will be interesting to see how Woods production goes now that Percy is out and Sammy back.......
3rdand12 Posted November 7, 2015 Posted November 7, 2015 Gilmore (a cornerstone of the D) Glenn (as a mid tier OT contract - if his agent thinks he's getting elite LT money elsewhere let him go, he isn't in that category) Woods (still only 22, solid contributor, durable, has shown strong WR ability despite questionable QBs throwing to him) Bradham (can be replaced in draft) I agree with your assessment .almost to a T Glenn has been a foundation of the line. laugh at the criticisms. Sure he has had bad days. he is pretty steady over the years. known commodity, i suppose. Woods, yes. This is a team that is going to keep improving on Offense over the this year and as long as Roman is calling the cards. Definitely start working the agent. Bradham. not sure yet, honestly. I'm not totally sold - he's a good #2 but those guys are somewhat replaceable. Runs good routes and is a very able blocker, but doesn't get much separation on his own and does absolutely nothing after the catch. Thought we'd be seeing more from him by now. we have has some minor technical difficulties. stay tuned. Hell no. Except for the Jets game last year, he has stunk. Disappointing, just disappointing Hmmm..... humor perhaps?
BarleyNY Posted November 7, 2015 Posted November 7, 2015 Gilmore (a cornerstone of the D) Glenn (as a mid tier OT contract - if his agent thinks he's getting elite LT money elsewhere let him go, he isn't in that category) Woods (still only 22, solid contributor, durable, has shown strong WR ability despite questionable QBs throwing to him) Bradham (can be replaced in draft) Don't forget Incognito. He is a FA after the season and needs to be a priority assuming a reasonable contract. Extending Gilmore would make a lot of sense and free up some cap space for next season. Glenn shouldn't break the bank and would be nice to retain, but I expect him to hit free agency. Once that happens he's likely gone as some LT needy team will overpay. The Bills probably missed their opportunity with him. Woods would be nice to extend as well. He's not a top talent but he keeps his mouth shut, works hard and (typically) can be counted on to give maximum effort and know his assignment. He's a WR you can start if you need to, but is best as a rotational guy. Teams need guys like him on the roster. If he's willing to take a contract commensurate with that, then sign him to it. Bradham is almost certainly gone. He hasn't excelled in Ryan's scheme and cap space will be tight. Some team will give him a chance and a decent payday based on last year's performance.
Augie Posted November 7, 2015 Posted November 7, 2015 Yes, but as always, it comes down to the rigth price. I could see him having some decent games when Sammy returns (assuming he STAYS returned). That crack back call on him was BS! Perfect hit.
Best Player Available Posted November 7, 2015 Posted November 7, 2015 It depends on the cost. 3 year contract 10 million. 1 million dollar signing bonus. 5 mill guaranteed and I'm in. Without looking it up. I thought that is just a tad more than Easley got on his extension. And he just scored his first NFL TD in what year 5? I think he is around 2.5M a year.For what? i don't think your numbers get it done. But maybe not too far off?
3rdand12 Posted November 7, 2015 Posted November 7, 2015 Not every player on the team can be, or even needs to be, a pro bowl caliber superstar. You need good, consistent, dependable role players. Woods is exactly that. Letting him walk, just means you have to find a consistent and dependable WR to fill the void. It's the definition of treading water. You don't break the bank to keep him, but you also don't let him walk if you can help it. We need this coaching staff and players to play together and get better. We started the season with Taylor throwing to Watkins, Harvin and Woods. If Woods walks, our QB only has one of those guys returning next year. That's not how you build consistency and confidence in an offensive system. So, yeah, sign the guy and keep moving forward. good post! Let the players develop as a team for a period of time.
Best Player Available Posted November 7, 2015 Posted November 7, 2015 Don't forget Incognito. He is a FA after the season and needs to be a priority assuming a reasonable contract. Extending Gilmore would make a lot of sense and free up some cap space for next season. Glenn shouldn't break the bank and would be nice to retain, but I expect him to hit free agency. Once that happens he's likely gone as some LT needy team will overpay. The Bills probably missed their opportunity with him. Woods would be nice to extend as well. He's not a top talent but he keeps his mouth shut, works hard and (typically) can be counted on to give maximum effort and know his assignment. He's a WR you can start if you need to, but is best as a rotational guy. Teams need guys like him on the roster. If he's willing to take a contract commensurate with that, then sign him to it. Bradham is almost certainly gone. He hasn't excelled in Ryan's scheme and cap space will be tight. Some team will give him a chance and a decent payday based on last year's performance. I think Glenn will over value himself. Those who call him better than average. Are close to being wrong. he is serviceable, and will want more than the Bills will pay. Another smart LT pick can cover his loss. IMO
3rdand12 Posted November 7, 2015 Posted November 7, 2015 why roll the dice and replace him at all though? He was drafted in the 2nd round by this team. He's not a guy who is going to demand a big contract, so extend him now before he hits the market. You already know what he can do. Why sign a FA from another team to replace him when you can keep a guy already here? I'm just curious as I think drafting and developing talent is the way to build a team. I'd obviously still add one in FA or draft, but would hate for it it be a huge "need" here where they need to give a huge contract or use a high pick because they are not re-signing a recent high pick. Also - not sure how many good FA WRs see this QB situation/offense as attractive. It would not be easy to sign someone even as good as Woods. and to the QB point, wouldn't it be wise to keep some player consistency at WR for the first year QB? Timing and nuances and all that? re up Woods asap Yes. He can produce, should be thrown to more, and is a good blocker. This.
3rdand12 Posted November 7, 2015 Posted November 7, 2015 I don't disagree with you. The question is going to be price. If we try to lock him up now, I would expect we might pay a premium. I would be against overpaying for him; but am fine if we want to spend FMV. But this is all academic. Whaley loves the guy and likes to spend money at offensive skill positions, like RB and WR. So I expect we will re-sign him and probably overpay doing I think Glenn will over value himself. Those who call him better than average. Are close to being wrong. he is serviceable, and will want more than the Bills will pay. Another smart LT pick can cover his loss. IMO not sure you want to give him away though. If he does decide to test the waters, i think he gets paid. prefer to retain him. and i do think he is better than average for sure. I think he is quite good. Had some drop offs but overall with the Bills? i would like to try to keep him. as I would Woods.
truth on hold Posted November 7, 2015 Posted November 7, 2015 Depends at what rate. What does a #3 WR get?
Best Player Available Posted November 7, 2015 Posted November 7, 2015 I don't disagree with you. The question is going to be price. If we try to lock him up now, I would expect we might pay a premium. I would be against overpaying for him; but am fine if we want to spend FMV. But this is all academic. Whaley loves the guy and likes to spend money at offensive skill positions, like RB and WR. So I expect we will re-sign him and probably overpay doing I think Glenn will over value himself. Those who call him better than average. Are close to being wrong. he is serviceable, and will want more than the Bills will pay. Another smart LT pick can cover his loss. IMO not sure you want to give him away though. If he does decide to test the waters, i think he gets paid. prefer to retain him. and i do think he is better than average for sure. I think he is quite good. Had some drop offs but overall with the Bills? i would like to try to keep him. as I would Woods. I agree but as we know decent LT's are tough to come by. I think he would want more than he's worth. He is decent. Not great. But in the end both Glenn and Woods are 2 Buffalo drafted players that should stay. I really like Woods, he of all players gets less credit than he deserves. Also Add resigning Gilmore to the list. His contract won't be chump change. next offseason will have some shocking roster moves too pull all this off. Espcially, if Tyrod hits his stride soon. better cap management is needed. This is a middle of the road team over paying big at times.
Buffalo Beeeews Posted November 7, 2015 Posted November 7, 2015 And blocks like a possessed demon. "Holding...number 10..offense..."
3rdand12 Posted November 7, 2015 Posted November 7, 2015 I agree but as we know decent LT's are tough to come by. I think he would want more than he's worth. He is decent. Not great. But in the end both Glenn and Woods are 2 Buffalo drafted players that should stay. I really like Woods, he of all players gets less credit than he deserves. Also Add resigning Gilmore to the list. His contract won't be chump change. next offseason will have some shocking roster moves too pull all this off. Espcially, if Tyrod hits his stride soon. better cap management is needed. This is a middle of the road team over paying big at times. yes, Whaley ran the bill right to the credit limit. For me, this is my knock against him.He threw all the cards in. and we are 3-4. we shall see if they are keeping the home growns, both Glenn and Woods deserve some lovin' "Holding...number 10..offense..." Roger Goodell is reigning in on aggressive behaviour both on and off the field. depending/
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