birdog1960 Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 so what do you say about this man that somehow shaped world history? http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/11/the-iraq-that-chalabi-left-behind-213330 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 so what do you say about this man that somehow shaped world history? http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/11/the-iraq-that-chalabi-left-behind-213330 Mission Accomplished! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted November 6, 2015 Author Share Posted November 6, 2015 Mission Accomplished! that would be funny if it weren't so truthful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 So what I'm confused. Did Bush and Co. lie to us or were they mislead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 So what I'm confused. Did Bush and Co. lie to us or were they mislead? Wow! You really don't know, do you? Do you even care, or are you just hoping he was mislead so its not his fault or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted November 6, 2015 Author Share Posted November 6, 2015 So what I'm confused. Did Bush and Co. lie to us or were they mislead? ah, the return of the dualist thinking. it doesn't necessarily need to be "either/or". it can be both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Wow! You really don't know, do you? Do you even care, or are you just hoping he was mislead so its not his fault or something? No I don't know and neither do you so answer the question and back it up with proof. Did Bush and company lie or were they mislead? That was the question I asked. ah, the return of the dualist thinking. it doesn't necessarily need to be "either/or". it can be both. Then prove it was both. Prove the lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 No I don't know and neither do you so answer the question and back it up with proof. Did Bush and company lie or were they mislead? That was the question I asked. Then prove it was both. Prove the lie. Sure, you want us to write for hours, waste a bunch of time to educate you. No thanks Bush lied Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Sure, you want us to write for hours, waste a bunch of time to educate you. No thanks Bush lied Prove it. Shouldn't be too hard. You know internet and all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted November 6, 2015 Author Share Posted November 6, 2015 Sure, you want us to write for hours, waste a bunch of time to educate you. No thanks Bush lied and then when you make a statement that black is actually black, he'll say it's not or "prove it". it's futile and juvenile. but so are most right wingers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Prove it. Shouldn't be too hard. You know internet and all. How old are you? and then when you make a statement that black is actually black, he'll say it's not or "prove it". it's futile and juvenile. but so are most right wingers. Yes! So true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 How old are you? Yes! So true Hey if you guys have no proof Bush lied just say so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Birdog finally found a buddy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 Birdog finally found a buddy. And an equal. Love that the Bush Derangement Syndrome still pops up now and then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted November 7, 2015 Author Share Posted November 7, 2015 And an equal. Love that the Bush Derangement Syndrome still pops up now and then. yes. another hand wave dismissal with no substantial argument. fully predictable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 yes. another hand wave dismissal with no substantial argument. fully predictable. Says the guy who has run away from the argument regarding Bush and Co. lying and being mislead. I'll wait until you either provide proof (and I'm not saying there is not, I've just not seen any) or admit that you think we were lied to but have no proof to back up that statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted November 7, 2015 Author Share Posted November 7, 2015 (edited) Says the guy who has run away from the argument regarding Bush and Co. lying and being mislead. I'll wait until you either provide proof (and I'm not saying there is not, I've just not seen any) or admit that you think we were lied to but have no proof to back up that statement. there's plenty of proof, not that any amount will be deemed acceptable to you. for those with active minds there are arguments and evidence such as those documented here: http://www.salon.com/2015/02/10/yes_bush_lied_about_iraq_why_are_we_still_arguing_about_this/ They even earned a mention in George W. Bush’s now infamous 2003 state of the union address: This was all wrong. And they knew at the time that the intelligence regarding those tubes was nowhere near as strong as they made it out to be. A number of intelligence agencies believed that the tubes were, in fact, made for uranium enrichment. There were, however, a number of dissenting views, including from the State Department and the intelligence arm of the Department of Energy, the agency responsible for maintaining the United States’ nuclear arsenal (i.e. the people who actually know this stuff). DOE determined that the tubes were completely impractical for use in uranium enrichment, and were probably intended for use in conventional rockets. The State Department came to a similar conclusion. The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa. Our intelligence sources tell us that he has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production. Saddam Hussein has not credibly explained these activities. He clearly has much to hide. The dictator of Iraq is not disarming. To the contrary, he is deceiving. Edited November 7, 2015 by birdog1960 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 there's plenty of proof, not that any amount will be deemed acceptable to you. for those with active minds there are arguments and evidence such as those documented here: http://www.salon.com/2015/02/10/yes_bush_lied_about_iraq_why_are_we_still_arguing_about_this/ They even earned a mention in George W. Bush’s now infamous 2003 state of the union address: This was all wrong. And they knew at the time that the intelligence regarding those tubes was nowhere near as strong as they made it out to be. A number of intelligence agencies believed that the tubes were, in fact, made for uranium enrichment. There were, however, a number of dissenting views, including from the State Department and the intelligence arm of the Department of Energy, the agency responsible for maintaining the United States’ nuclear arsenal (i.e. the people who actually know this stuff). DOE determined that the tubes were completely impractical for use in uranium enrichment, and were probably intended for use in conventional rockets. The State Department came to a similar conclusion. The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa. Our intelligence sources tell us that he has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production. Saddam Hussein has not credibly explained these activities. He clearly has much to hide. The dictator of Iraq is not disarming. To the contrary, he is deceiving. I'm still not buying it. By lying you have to admit that Bush knew for a fact that there were zero, none, nada WMD's in Iraq at the time but went ahead with the invasion anyway. There is nothing that says that. He had conflicting information. Some that said there were and some that said there wasn't. He went with the intel that said their was and I'm not sure it's ever been proven definitively that there were in fact zero WMD's in Iraq at the time. So unless you can't point to any information that Bush and Co. knew for a fact that there were NO WMD's I will concede but so far you've yet to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted November 7, 2015 Author Share Posted November 7, 2015 I'm still not buying it. By lying you have to admit that Bush knew for a fact that there were zero, none, nada WMD's in Iraq at the time but went ahead with the invasion anyway. There is nothing that says that. He had conflicting information. Some that said there were and some that said there wasn't. He went with the intel that said their was and I'm not sure it's ever been proven definitively that there were in fact zero WMD's in Iraq at the time. So unless you can't point to any information that Bush and Co. knew for a fact that there were NO WMD's I will concede but so far you've yet to do that. I'm shocked. hell, you don't even admit when you are caught red handed lying. why would this time be any different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted November 8, 2015 Share Posted November 8, 2015 It must be election time again. The retards are getting back into 'Bush Bad' mode rather than put any critical analysis into what's happened over the past 7 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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