Beerball Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Interesting (to me) how this crops up every 5-6 months or so. https://gma.yahoo.com/professional-sports-leagues-deny-charging-military-tributes-211037448--abc-news-topstories.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Doesn't the military pay for ads all over television? This really is no different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 What's the over/under for this thread to move to PPP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Conflating the argument to say they're the same is absurd and "Paid patriotism" seems about right. If the Army, Marines, Navy, or Air Force run a recruiting ad on television I think everyone understands they're paying for that. But a sports team hosting a contingent of uniformed or former military doesn't give the appearance of an attempt to recruit at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted November 4, 2015 Author Share Posted November 4, 2015 Doesn't the military pay for ads all over television? This really is no different. Much different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsxfirefighter Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Conflating the argument to say they're the same is absurd and "Paid patriotism" seems about right. If the Army, Marines, Navy, or Air Force run a recruiting ad on television I think everyone understands they're paying for that. But a sports team hosting a contingent of uniformed or former military doesn't give the appearance of an attempt to recruit at all. But the biggest problem, no one truly knows what the "payment" goes for. Does it cover all the Air National Guard signage around the stadium or does it cover the cost of the flyovers/guards tickets/public display during and before games? I believe these "payments" cover the advertisements and such around the stadium and in the game day publications. So its ok for the A/M/N/AF/NG to pay TVs for ads, however during the holidays when they do similar service men/woman shoutouts to their families...is that in honor of our troops, or were those paid ad spots? if those were paid ad spots, how did those random service individuals get selected, via lottery or paying to do it? These what if statements could go on and on. Because of this, I have no problem with them paying for advertisements, and no problem with the "Honor the Troops" campaigns as I do not see them as the same. Not all teams get this revenue, but all teams do the honoring...so that to me indicates a demarcation line is drawn somewhere. However, the NFL business models and pricing will never be made public because that is proprietary to their overall successful business venture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted November 4, 2015 Author Share Posted November 4, 2015 Feel free to start a topic on that subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 (edited) Post redacted for fear of life. Edited November 4, 2015 by fridge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Much different. so would you point the finger at the nfl or the military for the nature of the difference? if the military is buying up time and space to do what they want and the nfl is accommodating that -- to some degree, its only kind of different, in that the military is more subtle in the recruitment than the slap you in the face with it commercials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardyBoy Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 I absolutely do not want to derail this thread, but this really doesn't sit well with me. I just think we deserve better It's not just the people at the stadium, and the coverage during the broadcast (and often they'll replay shots of the military when they come back from break), but something greater that seems to be what I despise. It seems that American football is synonymous with supporting your troops, and I don't see why that needs to be. It's very transparent and obvious that since it's the most watched sport and the target demographic for military recruitment that all of it is fake. Military support is one thing, but there is an unrelenting sensation, a precedent that is being set (if you will), that we are to EXPECT to spend a lot of time honoring the troops and pretend it's not a sham being run down our throats. Terrorist! Those words lead me to think you might be a terrorist, or at least an enemy combatant, which means a secret court can grant a warrant to review your internet searches and phone calls from the last however long they have been being stored in that server farm I'm Utah. Fourth amendment is literally shredded, but instead of people getting angry about it we support our Troops (notice the capital T,the individual troops make huge sacrifices, I'm talking about the support for the military industrial complex which is really the propaganda we are being fed), and get all riled up about fringe issues, like gun rights, immigration, gay marriage, abortion, welfare. All those issue are really important, but we are so set to have hot takes, and instant solutions that we lose the bigger point...those problems are complex, and the only way to solve them is to agree that they need a complex solution, that focuses on the cause and not the symptoms. Back to military buying spots at sporting events. They get a discount and preferential access to those spots (walmart would love to sing the national anthem I'm sure, and I mean really walmart, because corporations are people, haven't you heard?), and the it's no coincidence they are involved in the opening ceremonies of games. It's simple behaviorism, people are happy at the start of games, they see the military while having good feelings, and next time they see something military, they get happy feelings. Propaganda 101. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 I think people are just naive in thinking that businesses do all this stuff for free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted November 4, 2015 Author Share Posted November 4, 2015 so would you point the finger at the nfl or the military for the nature of the difference? .Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Doesn't the military pay for ads all over television? This really is no different. Of course it's different. Your beer adds you know are paid for. Pushing patriotism shouldn't be unless it's done overtly. Why do you think they have those disclaimers at the end of political adds, i.e. "Paid for by the dimwit campaign committee?" It's to explain that the tv station or network is not sponsoring or backing a particular candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 What's ABC's take on military units marching in parades? When I was a kid they had tanks and trucks and hundreds of troops marching in the Memorial Day parades. What was the purpose of that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 @darrenrovell NFL says its auditing team contracts with Department of Defense. Will refund $ if found that military tributes were paid for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 @darrenrovell NFL says its auditing team contracts with Department of Defense. Will refund $ if found that military tributes were paid for. This makes me think there is a heck of a lot more to the story than people know. The fact that they are "auditing" team contracts with the DoD means that there is a bigger picture here that people are just mashing together. It's akin to complaining about the city paying for something crazy, but then someone clarifying to you that the payment was part of a broader program that did other things. I think people should untwist their panties, and reserve judgement until they know exactly what was paid for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackInDaDay Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 If you're expecting competence from government, I'm afraid you're due for disappointment. i hear ya, but i'd settle for accountability at this point.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 You know this topic upsets me every time you post it. Why do you continue to do it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted November 4, 2015 Author Share Posted November 4, 2015 All y'all take the big picture stuff to PPP and leave this discussion for teams and the military teaming up for paid tributes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sodbuster Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 I strongly believe the military is in favor of the money being used for those tributes. Patriotism is easily the strongest recruiting tool, and they want that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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