eball Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 I don't think EJ is good, but he has a big arm. Cassel couldn't make either of the TD throws Manuel made against Jax. He has a rag arm. Yep. It's as if some are arguing over whether they would rather be up on the Jags 31-27 (EJ) or 13-10 (Cassel) in the 4th quarter. It's the same boat, folks.
Prickly Pete Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 EJM is a home run hitter who strikes out a lot. Matt Cassel is a bunter.
Saxum Posted November 3, 2015 Posted November 3, 2015 All Cassel vs. EJ talk should be officially put to rest, now that both have had two starts and both have two losses. This just in -- they're both subpar. If I was a Dallas fan I'd be pulling my hair out. I watched the end of both of their games and Cassel's inability to even try to make a play downfield is embarrassing. The local Buffalo media crucifying Whaley for moving Cassel should put their smartphones and laptops away. Hopefully both Taylor and Romo are healthy soon, and these other two QBs can go to the bench where they belong. If they were truely smart phones they would stop working for Buffalo media.
Fadingpain Posted November 3, 2015 Posted November 3, 2015 Even this is a completely FALSE STATEMENT, and I am seriously sick of seeing it repeated, presumably in ignorance. Please look at the stats and reconsider. Matt Cassel two games, QBR 62.3, 61.6, 2 losses (NYG 4-4, SEA 4-4), 324 yards, 1 TD, 3 INT EJ Manuel, two games, QBR 81.7, 75.3, 2 losses (CIN 7-0, JAX 2-5), 561 yards, 3 TD, 3 INT Cassel has brought almost no value whatsoever to his team. Manuel has played mediocre football behind a poor and injured OL and missing the team's top two WR. BUT Manuel has been CLEARLY BETTER than Cassel. This is like saying chlamydia is better than gonorrhea.
Sisyphean Bills Posted November 3, 2015 Posted November 3, 2015 EJM is a home run hitter who strikes out a lot. Matt Cassel is a bunter. Even a bunter has to move the bat a little. Maybe more like a bat-holder told to just stand there and collect a walk. "Whatever you do, son, don't swing the bat!"
dave mcbride Posted November 3, 2015 Posted November 3, 2015 Even this is a completely FALSE STATEMENT, and I am seriously sick of seeing it repeated, presumably in ignorance. Please look at the stats and reconsider. Matt Cassel two games, QBR 62.3, 61.6, 2 losses (NYG 4-4, SEA 4-4), 324 yards, 1 TD, 3 INT EJ Manuel, two games, QBR 81.7, 75.3, 2 losses (CIN 7-0, JAX 2-5), 561 yards, 3 TD, 3 INT Cassel has brought almost no value whatsoever to his team. Manuel has played mediocre football behind a poor and injured OL and missing the team's top two WR. BUT Manuel has been CLEARLY BETTER than Cassel. You can't not factor in the fumbles into your comparison. Manuel has had two really bad fumbles. The Bills luckily recovered one, but the other resulted in defensive TD. That was all on Manuel. Those fumble stats don't show up in QB rating, but you have to build them into any assessment. EJM is a home run hitter who strikes out a lot. Matt Cassel is a bunter. Dave Kingman vs. Mark Belanger, in other words.
GunnerBill Posted November 3, 2015 Posted November 3, 2015 You can't not factor in the fumbles into your comparison. Manuel has had two really bad fumbles. The Bills luckily recovered one, but the other resulted in defensive TD. That was all on Manuel. Those fumble stats don't show up in QB rating, but you have to build them into any assessment. Dave Kingman vs. Mark Belanger, in other words. You can't not factor in the fumbles into your comparison. Manuel has had two really bad fumbles. The Bills luckily recovered one, but the other resulted in defensive TD. That was all on Manuel. Those fumble stats don't show up in QB rating, but you have to build them into any assessment. Dave Kingman vs. Mark Belanger, in other words. I still don't think the fumble that went for a TD was all on EJ. The protection was bad, McCoy missed his assignment and it resulted in a bad play. I don't absolve him totally, but I don't think that was all on him.
machine gun kelly Posted November 3, 2015 Posted November 3, 2015 Everyone still making signs to fire Whaley. That thread was a knee jerk reaction, and now he looks like a genius.
dave mcbride Posted November 3, 2015 Posted November 3, 2015 Everyone still making signs to fire Whaley. That thread was a knee jerk reaction, and now he looks like a genius. If you're referring to the thread I started, it wasn't really a knee jerk reaction. I wasn't advocating his firing at all; I was simply surmising that there was friction between him and a coach who doesn't report to him, and that if Cassel played well, it might have an impact on his future (and I said "if"). I've long said that Cassel isn't good, but I didn't know how he was going to perform because I'm no expert. I still think that Whaley's future with the Bills is very much up in the air. He's employed for two more months, and I've heard nothing about an extension. He doesn't look like a genius to me in any case; I think he's an average GM who is overcriticized by many and overpraised by others. The Bills' roster is OK overall (not great), as is evidenced by their mediocre/average ratings in pretty much every major category. Every team has good players, after all. The Bills' premier d-line and corners are counterbalanced by their weak o-line and nondescript LB corps, for instance.
Jobot Posted November 3, 2015 Posted November 3, 2015 still mind boggling that so many Bills fans we're pissed at Whaley for trading Cassel.
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted November 4, 2015 Posted November 4, 2015 (edited) If I had a penny for every time people here say MC is better than EJ I'd be a millionaire If I had a penny for every time people here say EJ sucks I'd be a billionaire Edited November 4, 2015 by BillsFan-4-Ever
26CornerBlitz Posted November 4, 2015 Posted November 4, 2015 still mind boggling that so many Bills fans we're pissed at Whaley for trading Cassel. That seemed to be a Buffalo sports media thing more than the fans.
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted November 4, 2015 Posted November 4, 2015 Okay people.... it was a joke. I am not saying Matt Cassel is good because Rodgers only threw for 77 yards... it was a joke. As Rodgers himself once said R-E-L-A-X. Could you imagine what Cassell would look like against that Denver D? I'm thinking fake an injury before half time bad....
Maury Ballstein Posted November 4, 2015 Posted November 4, 2015 That seemed to be a Buffalo sports media thing more than the fans. Oh you haven't met firechan and oldschool ?
26CornerBlitz Posted November 4, 2015 Posted November 4, 2015 Oh you haven't met firechan and oldschool ? There are always exceptions.
Saxum Posted November 4, 2015 Posted November 4, 2015 Oh you haven't met firechan and oldschool ? Isn't firechan one of the media people? He seems as clueless. I'd not see his posts but someone keeps quoting him.
Baltos best Posted November 4, 2015 Posted November 4, 2015 (edited) Nothing for nothing but how much did Dez Bryant play in those 2 games with Cassel? Even this is a completely FALSE STATEMENT, and I am seriously sick of seeing it repeated, presumably in ignorance. Please look at the stats and reconsider. Matt Cassel two games, QBR 62.3, 61.6, 2 losses (NYG 4-4, SEA 4-4), 324 yards, 1 TD, 3 INT EJ Manuel, two games, QBR 81.7, 75.3, 2 losses (CIN 7-0, JAX 2-5), 561 yards, 3 TD, 3 INT Cassel has brought almost no value whatsoever to his team. Manuel has played mediocre football behind a poor and injured OL and missing the team's top two WR. BUT Manuel has been CLEARLY BETTER than Cassel. Edited November 4, 2015 by Baltos best
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