BobChalmers Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 (edited) both guys stink it up about the same magnitude, just in different ways. Even this is a completely FALSE STATEMENT, and I am seriously sick of seeing it repeated, presumably in ignorance. Please look at the stats and reconsider. Matt Cassel two games, QBR 62.3, 61.6, 2 losses (NYG 4-4, SEA 4-4), 324 yards, 1 TD, 3 INT EJ Manuel, two games, QBR 81.7, 75.3, 2 losses (CIN 7-0, JAX 2-5), 561 yards, 3 TD, 3 INT Cassel has brought almost no value whatsoever to his team. Manuel has played mediocre football behind a poor and injured OL and missing the team's top two WR. BUT Manuel has been CLEARLY BETTER than Cassel. Edited November 2, 2015 by BobChalmers
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 Even this is a completely FALSE STATEMENT, and I am seriously sick of seeing it repeated, presumably in ignorance. Please look at the stats and reconsider. Matt Cassel two games, QBR 62.3, 61.6, 2 losses (NYG 4-4, SEA 4-4), 324 yards, 1 TD, 3 INT EJ Manuel, two games, QBR 81.7, 75.3, 2 losses (CIN 7-0, JAX 2-5), 561 yards, 3 TD, 3 INT Cassel has brought almost no value whatsoever to his team. Manuel has played mediocre football behind a poor and injured OL and missing the team's top two WR. BUT Manuel has been CLEARLY BETTER than Cassel. All I can suggest is that you try to ignore those who keep trolling that EJ sucks and is a complete failure.
GunnerBill Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 Even this is a completely FALSE STATEMENT, and I am seriously sick of seeing it repeated, presumably in ignorance. Please look at the stats and reconsider. Matt Cassel two games, QBR 62.3, 61.6, 2 losses (NYG 4-4, SEA 4-4), 324 yards, 1 TD, 3 INT EJ Manuel, two games, QBR 81.7, 75.3, 2 losses (CIN 7-0, JAX 2-5), 561 yards, 3 TD, 3 INT Cassel has brought almost no value whatsoever to his team. Manuel has played mediocre football behind a poor and injured OL and missing the team's top two WR. BUT Manuel has been CLEARLY BETTER than Cassel. I think Manuel's performance vs Cincy is clearly the best of the 4 performances and really it is not even close. His performance against Jacksonville was every bit as bad as Cassel's performances though.
blzrul Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 I think Manuel's performance vs Cincy is clearly the best of the 4 performances and really it is not even close. His performance against Jacksonville was every bit as bad as Cassel's performances though. And it was such a shame, with the STELLAR support he got from the defense and special teams :-)
H2o Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 Which is only 20 more than Aaron Rodgers managed last night....... In all fairness Denver looks like the best defense in the league this year under Wade Phillips, better than Seattle's. Cassell had no easy task himself, but to compare Rodgers and Cassell in any form is ludicrous *Mike Tyson voice* Lol
BuffaloMatt Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 (edited) I believe if EJ took a knee on every play we still would have won the game. The real truth is that Cassel sucks less than EJ. But still sucks. Edited November 2, 2015 by BuffaloMatt
Rico Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 I still believe that if we started Cassel against the jags we win that game. No doubt about it here. This wasn't against the Giants D in NY or the Seattle D after being on the team for a few weeks, it was against the Jax D on a neutral field after being with this staff since training camp.
Prickly Pete Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 (edited) No doubt about it here. This wasn't against the Giants D in NY or the Seattle D after being on the team for a few weeks, it was against the Jax D on a neutral field after being with this staff since training camp. Geezus. Can we just agree that they both suck? I think there are some games/teams that EJM might match up better against, and some that Cassel might do better against....so what? Wringing hands over these 2 guys is ridiculous, because these Bills find so many ways to lose, that anyone can ruin a game for them. The coach, a QB, a backup safety, a fumbler, a ball- dropper, a kicker, a special teams penalty specialist....these guys find a way. There is no way to know how Cassel would have fared, and no way to know who else might have stepped forward to contribute to a loss if Cassel played. Anyone backing either Cassel or EJM in any way at this point, is just being ridiculous. Edited November 2, 2015 by HoF Watkins
Jobot Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 Are we still supposed to want Whaley fired for trading him?
Not at the table Karlos Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 therefore Matt Cassel is better then Aaron Rodgers! he's a WITCH!
RevWarRifleman Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 He is worse than Trent Edwards. Yes I was an EJ supporter and he let me down. But Cassel is horrible. Worse than EJ?
eball Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 I still believe that if we started Cassel against the jags we win that game. No doubt about it here. This wasn't against the Giants D in NY or the Seattle D after being on the team for a few weeks, it was against the Jax D on a neutral field after being with this staff since training camp. So easy to say because of EJ's dreaded five minutes in the 2nd quarter of that Jax game, but in truth it is impossible to prove. The Bills led Jacksonville by 4 pts. with 5:00 to go, with the Jags on their own 16 yard line. Behind this defense, that should be a W. Who is to say how many points the Bills' offense would have scored with Cassel at the helm? Judging by his performances with Dallas can anyone say with certainty it would have been more than 17? If anything, it's actually more likely the Bills would have been less than a TD ahead in the 4th quarter -- just like they were with EJ -- with Cassel playing QB.
apuszczalowski Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 Even this is a completely FALSE STATEMENT, and I am seriously sick of seeing it repeated, presumably in ignorance. Please look at the stats and reconsider. Matt Cassel two games, QBR 62.3, 61.6, 2 losses (NYG 4-4, SEA 4-4), 324 yards, 1 TD, 3 INT EJ Manuel, two games, QBR 81.7, 75.3, 2 losses (CIN 7-0, JAX 2-5), 561 yards, 3 TD, 3 INT Cassel has brought almost no value whatsoever to his team. Manuel has played mediocre football behind a poor and injured OL and missing the team's top two WR. BUT Manuel has been CLEARLY BETTER than Cassel. Cassel also had only 2 weeks to learn a completely new offence on a different team that he had no experience with no with. EJ was with this team for the off-season to learn the teams play book and has prior experience working with all of the offence except for the RBs and one of the WRs. I'm not saying Cassel is better, but also not saying he is much worse considering the circumstances we are comparing them too. It's not exactly apples to apples. EJs play has been horrible, and yet there are many here complementing him for coming back after the dumpster fire first half in the last game where he still only lead the offence to 2 total tds and some FGs
8-8 Forever? Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 All Cassel vs. EJ talk should be officially put to rest, now that both have had two starts and both have two losses. This just in -- they're both subpar. If I was a Dallas fan I'd be pulling my hair out. I watched the end of both of their games and Cassel's inability to even try to make a play downfield is embarrassing. The local Buffalo media crucifying Whaley for moving Cassel should put their smartphones and laptops away. Hopefully both Taylor and Romo are healthy soon, and these other two QBs can go to the bench where they belong. hear hear. Whaley is on a huge hot streak with FAs brought in and players let go. Let the man do his job. Didn't even have a first this year and gets two key starters in Darby and Miller bam just like that. Clay deal is a clear winner. McCoy is better than Spiller and Fred ever were. Kiko may not even make it back all the way from injury. Getting Rex, who got TMobile saved the season from a QB perspective. Signing Dareus and grabbing IK to replace Mario next year (so his $$ can pay Bradham and Gilmore) was inspired. These guys are good. Now if we can just get these players ON THE FIELD we'll be all set. Go bills.
apuszczalowski Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 So easy to say because of EJ's dreaded five minutes in the 2nd quarter of that Jax game, but in truth it is impossible to prove. The Bills led Jacksonville by 4 pts. with 5:00 to go, with the Jags on their own 16 yard line. Behind this defense, that should be a W. Who is to say how many points the Bills' offense would have scored with Cassel at the helm? Judging by his performances with Dallas can anyone say with certainty it would have been more than 17? If anything, it's actually more likely the Bills would have been less than a TD ahead in the 4th quarter -- just like they were with EJ -- with Cassel playing QB. But would Cassel, being on this team all of training camp and knowing the playbook have given the bills that same wonderful 5 minutes that EJ did putting the Bills behind?
eball Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 But would Cassel, being on this team all of training camp and knowing the playbook have given the bills that same wonderful 5 minutes that EJ did putting the Bills behind? Straw man argument. Perhaps Cassel wouldn't have given the Jags 14 straight points (and a short field), but maybe the Bills would only have scored 10 themselves. That's the point. EJ actually made big plays on offense to bring them back.
rstencel Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 But someone from bills once said at beginning of training camp that he was their favorite, so he has to be the best they had this year.
The Big Cat Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 You can chalk it up to it being one of the worst 0:07 in football history, but that doesn't mean it didn't all of a sudden happen. Taking four steps forward and five steps backward is still a step in the wrong direction. And it wasn't just those seven seconds.
dave mcbride Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 Straw man argument. Perhaps Cassel wouldn't have given the Jags 14 straight points (and a short field), but maybe the Bills would only have scored 10 themselves. That's the point. EJ actually made big plays on offense to bring them back. I don't think EJ is good, but he has a big arm. Cassel couldn't make either of the TD throws Manuel made against Jax. He has a rag arm.
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