DC Tom Posted November 16, 2015 Posted November 16, 2015 Yeah but with 14 months to go the Obama doctrine won't change: It's his predecessor's fault and his successors problem *edit hmm, when I do a quote lately it's doubling up the quote That's actually the Clinton doctrine: "What do I have to give you to keep you quiet until you're someone else's problem?"
Keukasmallies Posted November 17, 2015 Posted November 17, 2015 When (not if, but when) it's time for boots on the ground in Rhode Island, or Arizona, wherever here in CONUS, I pray that the POTUS at the time isn't Barack Obama.
dpberr Posted November 20, 2015 Posted November 20, 2015 (edited) If world politics were the Usual Suspects movie, the Saudis are Kevin Spacey. Edited November 20, 2015 by dpberr
B-Man Posted November 20, 2015 Posted November 20, 2015 If world politics were the Usual Suspects movie, the Saudis are Kevin Spacey. That would make President Obama...................Dave Kujan. "I'm smarter than you".........only he isn't
blzrul Posted November 20, 2015 Posted November 20, 2015 Every bomb we drop, every refugee who drowns in the Mediterranean, every cowardly politician who refuses to show a little compassion, plays RIGHT into the hands of Daesh. What better way to make them hate us? It creates fertile ground for recruitment. I imagine there are plenty of refugees (from beyond Syria) in this country who are witnessing the pinheaded panic first hand and probably toying with the idea of joining up. Boots on the ground is also what they wanted. It was bin Laden's fondest dream. Because we cannot win, and it will slowly bankrupt us. There is no military - exclusively military - answer. Military can be a part of the solution, but it has to be multi-faceted. The goal is to get the moderate people of the Middle East - the MAJORITY, who are cowed and afraid of these extremists too - to become part of the coalition against them. We don't need them to soldier for us, but we don't need to create generations of people with no lots of hatred, no hope, and nothing left to lose. This is where the test of what it means to be America comes into play. This country was founded on tolerance, inclusion, and the willingness to take a risk. So far I see a bunch of cowardly bigots collectively crapping their pants and scuttling under the bed.
Deranged Rhino Posted November 20, 2015 Posted November 20, 2015 If world politics were the Usual Suspects movie, the Saudis are Kevin Spacey. http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/despite_atrocities_us_approves_129_billion_deal_20151117 http://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/10/21/midst-war-us-approves-11-billion-combat-ships-saudi-arabia
DC Tom Posted November 20, 2015 Posted November 20, 2015 http://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/10/21/midst-war-us-approves-11-billion-combat-ships-saudi-arabia In our defense, the Saudis are getting the LCS, which is less a "combat ship" than a half-assed yacht.
Keukasmallies Posted November 22, 2015 Posted November 22, 2015 POTUS will smite ISIS by organizing an international eHarmony sign-up and a massive job fair. Once the Islamic terrorists (Oops!) have jobs and some lovin' it'll all be good...eh? The only strict requirement will be that the terrorists pledge to cut their carbon footprint by 2020.
ALF Posted November 22, 2015 Posted November 22, 2015 These ships have some fire power http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/kingdom-saudi-arabia-multi-mission-surface-combatant-mmsc-ships
drinkTHEkoolaid Posted November 22, 2015 Posted November 22, 2015 POTUS will smite ISIS by organizing an international eHarmony sign-up and a massive job fair. Once the Islamic terrorists (Oops!) have jobs and some lovin' it'll all be good...eh? The only strict requirement will be that the terrorists pledge to cut their carbon footprint by 2020. Reset button.
keepthefaith Posted November 23, 2015 Posted November 23, 2015 POTUS will smite ISIS by organizing an international eHarmony sign-up and a massive job fair. Once the Islamic terrorists (Oops!) have jobs and some lovin' it'll all be good...eh? The only strict requirement will be that the terrorists pledge to cut their carbon footprint by 2020. Could be. He's got a Nobel Peace Prize. What else can he do? His hands are tied.
Nanker Posted November 24, 2015 Posted November 24, 2015 These ships have some fire power http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/kingdom-saudi-arabia-multi-mission-surface-combatant-mmsc-ships And once ISIS gets control of them, they'll have a navy!
drinkTHEkoolaid Posted November 24, 2015 Posted November 24, 2015 Turkey just shot down a Russian jet. Its about to get more complicated than it already is.
ALF Posted November 24, 2015 Posted November 24, 2015 (edited) Not very nice of Turkey http://www.aol.com/article/2015/11/24/turkey-downs-warplane-near-syria-border-russia-denies-airspace/21271695/?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D-411010463 Russian President Vladimir Putin said the plane had been attacked when it was 1 km (0.62 mile) inside Syria and warned of "serious consequences" for what he termed a "stab in the back". I would side with Russia over this dumb move by Turkey Edited November 24, 2015 by ALF
drinkTHEkoolaid Posted November 24, 2015 Posted November 24, 2015 Since Turkey is in NATO...... What happens if/when Putin decides to retaliate. Will they use article 5?
....lybob Posted November 24, 2015 Posted November 24, 2015 Not very nice of Turkey http://www.aol.com/article/2015/11/24/turkey-downs-warplane-near-syria-border-russia-denies-airspace/21271695/?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D-411010463 Russian President Vladimir Putin said the plane had been attacked when it was 1 km (0.62 mile) inside Syria and warned of "serious consequences" for what he termed a "stab in the back". I would side with Russia over this dumb move by Turkey If the Russian jet was in Turkish airspace then Turkey is within it's rights to shot it down but I hope they realize that turn about is fair play as they have often flown uninvited into Syrian airspace - I would expect a measured response from Russia like maybe arming the Kurds
/dev/null Posted November 24, 2015 Author Posted November 24, 2015 Since Turkey is in NATO...... What happens if/when Putin decides to retaliate. Will they use article 5? Obama will invite Putin and Ahmet to the White House lawn for a vodka and Arak summit And the plot thickens http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/russian-rescue-helicopter-shot-down-6891003
drinkTHEkoolaid Posted November 24, 2015 Posted November 24, 2015 Obama will invite Putin and Ahmet to the White House lawn for a vodka and Arak summit And the plot thickens http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/russian-rescue-helicopter-shot-down-6891003 So a tow missile shoots down the Russian SAR helicopter. This is going to get messy.
Nanker Posted November 24, 2015 Posted November 24, 2015 Turkey just shot down a Russian jet. Its about to get more complicated than it already is. That's a new one on me. I've heard of seagulls and geese downing planes before, but never turkeys.
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