BADOLBILZ Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 Agreed, that's a tough adjustment. But in his postgame I believe he mentioned that a coach told him if the ball comes in like that he should fight back to the ball to draw a flag, and when it happened later in the game he did and it did draw a flag. Yeah, the people defending how Sammy played that are wrong. Sammy knows he played that dumb. The fact that a coach would have to tell him to fight back for the ball makes me wonder how much he listens to coaching during the week. Like maybe listening to coaching is for Bob Woods and Chris Hogan but not for Sammy Football. Big fan of Sammy's talent but as good as he is he is never going to be Megatron.....quick feet and big hands just give you an opportunity to use your training to your advantage not to excel without it.
peterpan Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 I'll buy that- but anyone saying it should've been an easy adjustment is underestimating it. Could you draw the foul with contact? Maybe. Could he have gotten by a defender to high point it? I don't think so Thats what every other WR in the NFL does. The Packers are particularly good at it.
NoSaint Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 Thats what every other WR in the NFL does. The Packers are particularly good at it. And throw was particularly bad for what some people are acting like was a basic back shoulder pitch and catch or something
dave mcbride Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 And throw was particularly bad for what some people are acting like was a basic back shoulder pitch and catch or something I'll buy that- but anyone saying it should've been an easy adjustment is underestimating it. Could you draw the foul with contact? Maybe. Could he have gotten by a defender to high point it? I don't think so It as apparently planned: 'Watkins wasn’t targeted the entire first half. When he was in the second, the ball fluttered short. Still, he looked at his own play afterward. “Some plays, we just didn’t make the plays,” Watkins said. “We’ve got to make them. We’ve got to hit those throws and we’ve got to catch the ball. I don’t think we executed those plays. “I didn’t make the play. I was supposed to come back for one ball and get the pass interference and I didn’t. And then, I got coached up, and the second time I came back and got the pass interference. So it’s little plays like that, that are hidden. I should’ve done it the first time, gotten that P.I., and we would’ve been on the 20- or 30-yard line going in.”' http://bills.buffalonews.com/2015/11/24/bills-notebook-taylors-contract-status-leaves-team-with-decision-at-qb-2/
machine gun kelly Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 Sammy needs more accurate balls thrown to him and people making appropriate reads to know when he will be open. I know TT is still new as a starter, but will get better in time.
Wilton Bills Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 Sammy Watkins has incredible talent that is not being utilized. He's a winner who wants to contribute and win. Can't fault him for that.
NoSaint Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 It as apparently planned: 'Watkins wasnt targeted the entire first half. When he was in the second, the ball fluttered short. Still, he looked at his own play afterward. Some plays, we just didnt make the plays, Watkins said. Weve got to make them. Weve got to hit those throws and weve got to catch the ball. I dont think we executed those plays. I didnt make the play. I was supposed to come back for one ball and get the pass interference and I didnt. And then, I got coached up, and the second time I came back and got the pass interference. So its little plays like that, that are hidden. I shouldve done it the first time, gotten that P.I., and we wouldve been on the 20- or 30-yard line going in.' http://bills.buffalonews.com/2015/11/24/bills-notebook-taylors-contract-status-leaves-team-with-decision-at-qb-2/ I'd venture it wasn't "I'll throw a bad ball so you can try for PI" as much as "when you get a bad ball we want you to atleast sell out and see what you can sell"
apuszczalowski Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 The difference between Watkins and the league's elite receivers is that it seems that Sammy does not always want to fight back for the ball and make an effort to pull in a bad pass. Just like an elite WV Canaletto the rest of the team look better, an elite WR can make a mediocre WV look better to. Sammy will make the occasional highlight reel catch, but he will also not fight for under thrown or poorly thrown balls all the time
dave mcbride Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 I'd venture it wasn't "I'll throw a bad ball so you can try for PI" as much as "when you get a bad ball we want you to atleast sell out and see what you can sell"What it tells me is that the NFL has a horrible rule. I hate hate hate the badly underthrown ball that results in a PI. The sooner they eliminate that rule -- which rewards poor throws -- the better the league will be. If the qb underthrows a receiver, they shouldn't get off the hook, and a db who has done his job by keeping up with a receiver shouldn't be penalized. The fact that teams plan plays around this stupid rule is kinda sickening.
What a Tuel Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 (edited) The difference between Watkins and the league's elite receivers is that it seems that Sammy does not always want to fight back for the ball and make an effort to pull in a bad pass. Just like an elite WV Canaletto the rest of the team look better, an elite WR can make a mediocre WV look better to. Sammy will make the occasional highlight reel catch, but he will also not fight for under thrown or poorly thrown balls all the time So he didn't fight for 1 of 2 catches and that is the difference huh? I think the difference and people earlier nailed it is that Tyrod doesn't make the kind of throws that enable Sammy to go up and fight for the ball because he doesn't make those throws to begin with either because he doesn't see them, or he fears INT. Edited November 25, 2015 by What a Tuel
NoSaint Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 What it tells me is that the NFL has a horrible rule. I hate hate hate the badly underthrown ball that results in a PI. The sooner they eliminate that rule -- which rewards poor throws -- the better the league will be. If the qb underthrows a receiver, they shouldn't get off the hook, and a db who has done his job by keeping up with a receiver shouldn't be penalized. The fact that teams plan plays around this stupid rule is kinda sickening. No offense here, but your being a bit dramatic.
Prickly Pete Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 So he didn't fight for 1 of 2 catches and that is the difference huh? I think the difference and people earlier nailed it is that Tyrod doesn't make the kind of throws that enable Sammy to go up and fight for the ball because he doesn't make those throws to begin with either because he doesn't see them, or he fears INT. Other guys are catching the throws.
What a Tuel Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 (edited) Other guys are catching the throws. 6 targets 3 catches. 1 was the one you guys are knocking him for not coming back and getting. 2 was the one he came back and drew the PI call 3 was uncatchable On the other side 1 was the one handed grab that he pulled through a defender 2 was the one he came back for and "gave himself up" to end the game 3 was a catch for 16 yards that he somehow stayed inbounds So one out of 6 he didn't do what he was supposed to. Do you realize these other WR's do not have a 100% catch rate? edit: I mean the evidence is pretty plainly there if anyone looks at Pittsburgh and Antonio Brown. He very clearly isn't the same WR without Roethlisberger giving him the chance to make the play. 4 games 8 targets for 59 yards 0 tds a game without Roethlisberger 6 games 14 targets for 113 yards .6 tds a game with Roethlisberger Edited November 25, 2015 by What a Tuel
Prickly Pete Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 6 targets 3 catches. 1 was the one you guys are knocking him for not coming back and getting. 2 was the one he came back and drew the PI call 3 was uncatchable On the other side 1 was the one handed grab that he pulled through a defender 2 was the one he came back for and "gave himself up" to end the game 3 was a catch for 16 yards that he somehow stayed inbounds So one out of 6 he didn't do what he was supposed to. Do you realize these other WR's do not have a 100% catch rate? edit: I mean the evidence is pretty plainly there if anyone looks at Pittsburgh and Antonio Brown. He very clearly isn't the same WR without Roethlisberger giving him the chance to make the play. 4 games 8 targets for 59 yards 0 tds a game without Roethlisberger 6 games 14 targets for 113 yards .6 tds a game with Roethlisberger It's not just this game.
dave mcbride Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 No offense here, but your being a bit dramatic. Perhaps, but I think it's a bad rule that encourages QBs to make "bad" throws and put the game in the hands of the officials. Is it crazy to question a rule that one thinks is bad? Or should we all just go along with the stupidity (that is, stupidity in my opinion)? There are ways to fix the situation.
BADOLBILZ Posted November 25, 2015 Posted November 25, 2015 What it tells me is that the NFL has a horrible rule. I hate hate hate the badly underthrown ball that results in a PI. The sooner they eliminate that rule -- which rewards poor throws -- the better the league will be. If the qb underthrows a receiver, they shouldn't get off the hook, and a db who has done his job by keeping up with a receiver shouldn't be penalized. The fact that teams plan plays around this stupid rule is kinda sickening. I'm not a fan of it either. BUT It was meant to be a deterrent to DB's not actually playing the football..........but they still keep running thru receivers without looking for the football. And I think the reason is that they get paid not to allow long completions and TD's........but drawing penalties isn't as frowned upon as giving up 60 yard TD's over their head. Basically.....giving up a long TD is just plain BAD....but giving up a PI is kinda' bad BUT nobody likes the rules or the officials so guys tend to get something of a pass for them. I'd venture a guess that one 50 yard TD allowed costs them more at contract time than 3-4 50 yard PI's.
26TrapDraw Posted November 26, 2015 Posted November 26, 2015 Just Wondering. Is TT not looking Sammy Watkins way because the kid is an arrogant ass? Serious question. He may have a man's body but his actions and words scream 12 yr old.
26CornerBlitz Posted November 26, 2015 Posted November 26, 2015 Just Wondering. Is TT not looking Sammy Watkins way because the kid is an arrogant ass? Serious question. He may have a man's body but his actions and words scream 12 yr old. This is a ridiculous point to make. You're projecting your own personal negative feeling towards Sammy as if the team feels the same way. Not a chance!
26TrapDraw Posted November 26, 2015 Posted November 26, 2015 This is a ridiculous point to make. You're projecting your own personal negative feeling towards Sammy as if the team feels the same way. Not a chance! Well it seems ridiculous on the surface but I watched the game on DVR again and saw about 6 times at least that Sammy was open. I know it's chalked up to Taylor flat out not seeing him but the thought did pop into my head. Ever see anyone go out of their way to really congratulate Sammy? Love the kid's talent he can truly be elite. The attitude not so much
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