The Big Cat Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 This was very well thought out and really is nothing but the truth. If people cant see all this so be it. Maybe I am partial because I never liked the Rex hire in the first place. I knew what he was. We are all so shell shocked from the past 15 years that some grab onto any glimmer of hope--not that there is anything wrong with that but its where we are. Buffalo right now is sports town hell and we cannot get a break or poor decisions are constantly made. It's a lot of deep thought for a game decided by three points wherein our QB gave the opposition 14 points...in CONSECUTIVE PLAYS.
Augie Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 It's a lot of deep thought for a game decided by three points wherein our QB gave the opposition 14 points...in CONSECUTIVE PLAYS. Is that bad?
billsfan_34 Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 It's a lot of deep thought for a game decided by three points wherein our QB gave the opposition 14 points...in CONSECUTIVE PLAYS. There is that element to it for sure. 4 turnovers total, penalties, and some really poor coaching all the way around can cause these kinds of posts. For some it makes them feel a little better. It sucks for all of us to lose like we did today and many other games. Its like groundhog day.
BackInDaDay Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 are his plans poorly conceived, poorly executed, or both? i think it's been a bit of both. Ryan's worst trait may be that he believes this also - and candidly shares that opinion with his players. a strong coach shouldn't allow doubts about his ability to succeed to creep into his players minds. the gameplan must be the gospel. players must have faith in the gospel and the men who deliver it. they must be transformed into zealots who believe that if they communicate and execute as told - they will achieve their greatest goal. falling short is the result of their lack of faith - never the gospel! i can't think of a successful football coach who didn't approach his players in this way.. that individually they are worthless, and their only shot at greatness is as a team. as fans, we have the luxury of discussing the merits of the 'gospel' as it's being preached, but as the leader of the team - from which all things flow - Rex doesn't have that luxury. he needs to stop handing out participation awards, and start seriously questioning his players desire to win. behind closed doors, he and his staff can question the 'gospel'
BobbyC81 Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 Ok let's take away the following players from the Pats. Brady QB Edelman wr Amendola wr Dion Lewis rb Blount RB playing hurt like shady is 2 starting offensive linemen One of there best run stuffers Like are Kyle Williams The best starting safety Like are Williams And one of the best corners, we don't have mckellvn Let's see how any team would do. I don't think are season is over by a long shot Let's get are players back and then judge this team. Another member who slept thru English class! It's OUR team sucks! OUR coach sucks! OUR QB sucks!
Mikie2times Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 (edited) Dear god people. I'm not putting this loss on Rex. The defense performed well. I also expect an uptick in the 2nd half of the season. This thread isn't about why we lost to the Jaguars, it's about if our coach should be a coach. Can he inspire people? Is his style something that can last over a length of time? I don't see it. Again, not about today. Rex will be here next year, so get ready Buffalo, you're going to the playoffs! How will you respond the next time? That's just a small example of how I see this getting old fast unless he figures something out that is not obvious to me. His behavior says I want to be a trend setter but his performance since 2011 is 29-42. I liken the situation in a roundabout way to Chip Kelly. He's basically the polar opposite of Ryan, but like Ryan he wants to different. System offense, willing to cut or trade high value players, total control, bordering on difficult to play for, not proven to be effective. Ryan is system defense, very little control, bordering on being to easy to play for, and certainly for a long time now, not proven to be effective. At which point are the Gurus no longer Gurus and just coaches deviating from the norm and not succeeding in doing so? Edited October 26, 2015 by KzooMike
Nihilarian Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 Aside from the fact that he's supposed to be a defensive guru, and we look like crap on D compared to last year, I just generally dislike loud-mouth blow hards. I'll be the first to admit that the injuries are a huge factor, but the guy seems to work too hard to be likeable and he loves the camera. He's one hell of a salesman, but his team has a lot of talent (regardless of injuries), and they have a losing record and just lost to a team that came in with a 1-5 record. Yeah, there's that pesky bottom line. Coaching does make a difference when the HC makes the entire Bills O line captains while giving the middle finger to Doug Marrone. Stunts like this manage to fire up a bunch of average players to play above their heads. The Jags were the 6 worst team in sacks allowed, and 7th with QB hits, and the bills only managed two sacks on them today. The lack of discipline with so many penalties have anything to do with coaching? Fans need to stop making the injury excuse because all teams have those problems. The Patriots lose Brady in the opener one year, and get to 11-5 with a QB who hadn't made a start since high school. If you look at the Patriots that season only 5 offensive players played in all 16 games, and that includes Cassel. Lots of blame all around to go for this one with losing to a bad Jags 1-5 team on the verge of firing their HC. Anyone who says this years team has met their expectations so far is a bad liar. The defense was supposed to be so special this year with this HC who is a supposed defensive genius. and a guy who scoffed at last years #4 defense in the NFL with all this talent. This years defense is barely average. The Bills at 3-4, and currently last in the division.
The Big Cat Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 There is that element to it for sure. 4 turnovers total, penalties, and some really poor coaching all the way around can cause these kinds of posts. For some it makes them feel a little better. It sucks for all of us to lose like we did today and many other games. Its like groundhog day. What aspect of today's game was poorly coached??
Mikie2times Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 What aspect of today's game was poorly coached?? Certainly the 4th down call on offense. But who knows who we put that on. It's interesting how we perceive the dynamic. I don't even think about Rex when that happened and I don't think many here do. I thought Roman as if the HC had no accountability. Sort of weird.
John from Riverside Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 Again, don't disagree. I will ask you the same thing as Big Cat, what has Rex done to show you that he is a good leader? This thread isn't about why we lost today. It is hard for me to dial in on Rex Ryan the leader of the Buffalo Bills because he is in his first season This is what I keep falling back to In my opinion Rex Ryan was not hired because he has been a long tenored HC of the jets I think he got the job for 2 reasons He has taken a jets team without a franchise QB to TWO AFC Championship games....so one game away from the Super Bowl....it actually hard to find those head coaching candidates with that kind of thing on their resume and He has historically had very good defenses......and appears to have done more with less on those defenses. So I ask myself......what worked then that is not working now? I am really interesting in hearing opinions on this because I think this is why Terry Pegula hired him.
Formerly Allan in MD Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 It's not a question of leadership, it's a question of ability. What one publicly states and is reputed to be doesn't always translate into reality; certainly not in Ryan's case.
The Big Cat Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 Certainly the 4th down call on offense. But who knows who we put that on. It's interesting how we perceive the dynamic. I don't even think about Rex when that happened and I don't think many here do. I thought Roman as if the HC had no accountability. Sort of weird. Dude. Woods was WIDE open. EJ's effort on that play was just deplorable. A quick, decisive throw and the game is still alive.
major Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 Instead of creating a bully he seems to have created a kid that gets bullied. The jags beating us was like George mcfly knocking out biff from back to the future
Mikie2times Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 Dude. Woods was WIDE open. EJ's effort on that play was just deplorable. A quick, decisive throw and the game is still alive. I did not see who was open, just the weird reverse boot action, twice. Would have liked easier execution, but if he was open, hey....that's all you can do as a coach..
jimmy10 Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 Fans need to stop making the injury excuse because all teams have those problems. The Patriots lose Brady in the opener one year, and get to 11-5 with a QB who hadn't made a start since high school. Wow, who was that?? We should totally go after THAT guy!
BobbyC81 Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 I did not see who was open, just the weird reverse boot action, twice. Would have liked easier execution, but if he was open, hey....that's all you can do as a coach.. I guess they figured nobody would be expecting it?
KOKBILLS Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 Dude. Woods was WIDE open. EJ's effort on that play was just deplorable. A quick, decisive throw and the game is still alive. I don't disagree... But it's the rollout to that side that kills EJ... It's just too much for him to do consistently... He's inaccurate as it is... Now you're rolling him to the left asking him to roll,set his feet, and make a good throw on a pretty quick route... At the very least Roman should have known it's too much to ask of EJ...
Vinaccia Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 The coach and players need time to bond together. You cannot replace a head coach every year or two. At the very least he deserves 3 years. This team is riddled with injuries and he came in here without a viable starting QB. I have a feeling this team will be very good very soon. Remember Tyrod would have never have been here if it wasn't for Ryan -- and yes it's not certain if Tyrod will work out -- but out of all of the options available he seems to have been the best QB we could have had. Rex will have a top defense again very soon. Just be a little patient. The coach hasn't even been with this team a half of a season yet and everyone is panicking and calling for his resignation. If they fired Rex we would be set back 5 years at the very least. He has a plan and direction but it's going to take some time for it all to come together.
Nihilarian Posted October 26, 2015 Posted October 26, 2015 It is hard for me to dial in on Rex Ryan the leader of the Buffalo Bills because he is in his first season This is what I keep falling back to In my opinion Rex Ryan was not hired because he has been a long tenored HC of the jets I think he got the job for 2 reasons He has taken a jets team without a franchise QB to TWO AFC Championship games....so one game away from the Super Bowl....it actually hard to find those head coaching candidates with that kind of thing on their resume and He has historically had very good defenses......and appears to have done more with less on those defenses. So I ask myself......what worked then that is not working now? I am really interesting in hearing opinions on this because I think this is why Terry Pegula hired him. I think every Bills fan out there wants to believe in Rex Ryan, and even the fans that didn't buy into the "we are going to build a bully in Buffalo" shtick still want him to succeed. The owner of the NY Jets Woody Johnson hated to fire the guy because he liked him so much. Lots of Jets fans weren't up in arms over his last season with the Jets even at 4-12 because they liked his charisma, his bluster and bravado. I honestly don't think it was Rex Ryan's past record of his first two years being good out of six seasons that got him the job as HC of the Buffalo Bills. I think someone at the top looked at Jim Schwartz and thought that the Bills won't play the NFC North every year, and they wanted someone with a past history of building top defenses. Someone who could come in and make even better use then what they saw with Pettine in 2013, and Schwartz in 2014. After all didn't Ryan train Pettine to run "his" defense, and wasn't it his defense that had been in the top 5 with the Jets all those six years? What worked then, and is not working now? My thought is the current players on this years Buffalo Bills team are better schemed in a wide nine 4-3 defense, and although Ryan says 3-4 or 4-3 no matter. It does matter, and it matters a lot because the Bills have the front four to run that wide nine 4-3, and don't have the LBers to run that zone blitz 3-4. Even HoF Bills QB Jim Kelly said that if he saw Mario, Kyle,or Jerry Hughes dropping into pass coverage instead of rushing him he'd have a big smile on his face (as the starting QB). Considering the talent of the Bills front four I was anticipating another 85 Bears Buddy Ryan defense in Buffalo this year, and instead we got a version of the 85 Bills defense. Let's face some facts here. The past two years the Buffalo Bills had the #2, #1 defense in sacks, and this year they are currently 20th. The defense is lacking is so many areas and doesn't have nearly as many injuries as the offense. Tackling stinks at times, soft coverage schemes that don't work. Plus this years team just doesn't seem to be getting the turnovers like the two previous seasons, and a lot of that is probably due to lack of pressure on the QB. The entire team is severely lacking in discipline, on offense, on defense, on special teams. That's coaching! This years special teams stinks, and its not the kickers fault, as the punter has been the MVP some games. Field position is so important and this years team seems to always have bad field position due to bad coverage units. Whats really puzzling is these are basically the same players, and coach from last year. NFN, but Rex Ryan keeps putting his foot in his mouth by giving the opposing teams bulletin board material while continuing to motivate them. Which is probably why he can't seem to remove his head from his posterior with the defense because his feet are always in the way. At this point this is not looking like a good hire for Buffalo and the Bills are on pace for an 8-8 season...maybe. I gotta wonder if the team will be better after the bye week, or will Ryan lose the team.
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