BillsVet Posted November 7, 2015 Posted November 7, 2015 The moves for Harvin and McCoy are proof that, while Rex has an idea of what types of players he needs, someone needs to be minding the personnel store. Whaley was in a weird situation and I think wanted to defer to TPegs hire at HC. Having the GM and HC report independent of each other isn't unique. But both guys need to be on the same page.
John from Riverside Posted November 7, 2015 Posted November 7, 2015 Im kinda torn on the Percy signing......would have liked to at least see him play through the year......but at least we are not tied down to him after this year. Now on McCoy I think we really need to see how this plays out.....the guy is finally healthy. Lots of football left to be played this year.
Beerball Posted November 7, 2015 Posted November 7, 2015 The press reports on the Harvin Saga have been downright Soviet. Next thing you know, he'll accuse the Bills of poisoning him with radioactive isotopes. Wouldn't a single one do the trick? Damn. This year has been one giant back-fire. Whaley really took some risks, and all have not panned out. I feel for Whaley, but some of his decisions are head scratchers, to say the least. #goingrouge. Imo All have not panned out or not all have panned out?
John from Riverside Posted November 7, 2015 Posted November 7, 2015 Wouldn't a single one do the trick? All have not panned out or not all have panned out? I seem to have remembered an article where there was this conversation with either Pegs and Rex or Pegs and Whaley (I think it was Pegs and Whaley) Something about....."we are going swing for the fences and some of them might not pan out but were gonna do it" Something to that effect.
3rdand12 Posted November 7, 2015 Posted November 7, 2015 Wouldn't a single one do the trick? All have not panned out or not all have panned out? semantics perhaps BB? i missed too many english classes. the only lesson i recall were about King Arthur and Chivalry
Leroi Posted November 7, 2015 Posted November 7, 2015 Wouldn't a single one do the trick? All have not panned out or not all have panned out? Not all have panned out. Pardon the typo Beerball. Thank You for bringing that to my attention, I will edit. Imo
3rdand12 Posted November 7, 2015 Posted November 7, 2015 (edited) I seem to have remembered an article where there was this conversation with either Pegs and Rex or Pegs and Whaley (I think it was Pegs and Whaley) Something about....."we are going swing for the fences and some of them might not pan out but were gonna do it" Something to that effect. fair enough really. Its a method. was it the right time? in hindsight , next year, with more settling in and down, may have been a wiser choice for corking the bat Edited November 7, 2015 by 3rdand12
jahnyc Posted November 8, 2015 Posted November 8, 2015 I agree that Whaley must have been in a tough situation with the new new owners and new HC, particularly since the new owners explored hiring a football "czar". I assume that it was Ryan who wanted Harvin and possibly Clay. Not sure about McCoy, but paying him as much as we are does not make much sense to me. If the Bills do not make the playoffs and Whaley's contract really is up after this year, I think it is very possible that he will not be re-signed.
reddogblitz Posted November 8, 2015 Posted November 8, 2015 I do believe it is a little harder to keep a team motivated to play in Buffalo when they are losing. Especially with transients like Harvin. I think we've seen a lot of days off taken and early exits made from players over the past 15 years that you wouldn't see if the organization had a winning culture and players believed that they could get to the playoffs if they worked thru injury. I'm curious. What players are you talking about? Just give me two or three.
Storm Front Posted November 8, 2015 Posted November 8, 2015 Six years of Nix/Whaley and we are left with a ball club that still has questions at coaching and QB and a roster that doesn't look like it is built to last. Basically the flat out success of the last 6 years are landing a #3 overall pick in the 2011 draft and signing a 100 mm pass rusher. Yep.
BADOLBILZ Posted November 8, 2015 Posted November 8, 2015 I'm curious. What players are you talking about? Just give me two or three. There are new ones every season but if you want a really good specific example.....Aaron Schobel. Guy quit about 3-4 years earlier than if he had been playing for a contender, IMO. By contrast.....when the Bills were a winning franchise there were a lot of players who would not give up and contributed much later in their careers. Not having to replace those guys years earlier pays dividends. It prevents things like having to reach for an Aaron Maybin on draft day etc..
26CornerBlitz Posted November 8, 2015 Author Posted November 8, 2015 @AdamSchefter Bills WR Percy Harvin, placed on IR Saturday, scheduled to undergo knee surgery this week; Harvin intends to resume NFL career next season.
Coach Tuesday Posted November 8, 2015 Posted November 8, 2015 There are new ones every season but if you want a really good specific example.....Aaron Schobel. Guy quit about 3-4 years earlier than if he had been playing for a contender, IMO. By contrast.....when the Bills were a winning franchise there were a lot of players who would not give up and contributed much later in their careers. Not having to replace those guys years earlier pays dividends. It prevents things like having to reach for an Aaron Maybin on draft day etc.. Kyle Orton Brad Butler?
JohnC Posted November 8, 2015 Posted November 8, 2015 There are new ones every season but if you want a really good specific example.....Aaron Schobel. Guy quit about 3-4 years earlier than if he had been playing for a contender, IMO. By contrast.....when the Bills were a winning franchise there were a lot of players who would not give up and contributed much later in their careers. Not having to replace those guys years earlier pays dividends. It prevents things like having to reach for an Aaron Maybin on draft day etc.. You include Harvin to fit in with your narrative that he is leaving early because he is not willing to "stretch" himself because he is playing on a losing team and in a non-glamorous location. Your position makes no sense and is inconsistent with the facts. Percy Harvin is hurt. He has a variety of ailments, hip, knee and issues with migraines that probably will follow him when he retires. He had an incentive to continue on $$$$$ but is so plagued with health problems that he can't continue on. There is no doubt that in his long career with the Bills Aaron Schobel was frustrated that he didn't play on a good team. He retired after a very long career. I don't recall any other team being interested in him. Schobel lived in Texas and played football because it was a financially rewarding career. He had a long career and was ready to leave the endeavor to back back to the ranch. Your thesis sounds interesting but in reality the facts don't match your theory.
YoloinOhio Posted November 8, 2015 Posted November 8, 2015 @danphillipsNFL: WR Percy Harvin will not be reaching an injury settlement with the @buffalobills. Has sat out 36 of a possible 64 games in the last 4 years.
JohnC Posted November 8, 2015 Posted November 8, 2015 Kyle Orton Brad Butler? Orton simply wanted to retire. He had a long career and was done with the business. Prior to going to Buffalo he had an opportunity to sign with the Cowboys. He declined it although it was for an attractive salary. Brad Butler had a nagging knee injury and simply didn't want to play a sport in which there were great risks for permanent physical damage. Butler was a University of Virginia graduate and he had political and public policy interests that were greater than his interest in football.
dave mcbride Posted November 8, 2015 Posted November 8, 2015 (edited) You include Harvin to fit in with your narrative that he is leaving early because he is not willing to "stretch" himself because he is playing on a losing team and in a non-glamorous location. Your position makes no sense and is inconsistent with the facts. Percy Harvin is hurt. He has a variety of ailments, hip, knee and issues with migraines that probably will follow him when he retires. He had an incentive to continue on $$$$$ but is so plagued with health problems that he can't continue on. There is no doubt that in his long career with the Bills Aaron Schobel was frustrated that he didn't play on a good team. He retired after a very long career. I don't recall any other team being interested in him. Schobel lived in Texas and played football because it was a financially rewarding career. He had a long career and was ready to leave the endeavor to back back to the ranch. Your thesis sounds interesting but in reality the facts don't match your theory. His larger theory is right -- dockery, langston walker, okeafor, sam adams, jeff posey, TO, larry triplett, lawyer milloy and troy vincent in 2005. The team has had a lot of check cashers whose engagement declined when the losing kicked in this millennium. Edited November 8, 2015 by dave mcbride
JohnC Posted November 8, 2015 Posted November 8, 2015 His larger theory is right -- dockery, langston walker, okeafor, sam adams, jeff posey, TO, larry triplett, lawyer milloy and troy vincent in 2005. The team has had a lot of check cashers whose engagement declined when the losing kicked in this millennium. The players you listed is an indictment on the foolishness of a stupid organization. These players didn't prematurely leave the Bills because they cashed out. They should never been acquired at their respective excessive prices. This backwater franchise was incapable of functioning as a sustaining competitive franchise. It went for the short-term fix for marketing reasons.
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