BringBackFergy Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 Agreed. Easy to have those kind of stats when you are an athletic running QB. Do you remember that one 45-yard run he had against the patriots? Basically outran Revis to the goal line. Wish we had a guy now with those wheels.
freeagentqb Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 Orton was pretty good the first few games until Marrone and Hacksaw got a hold of him.
Freddie's Dead Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 Orton's QB rating was flawed. The fact that he was a dual threat QB running out of both the "shotgun" and the "read option" offense allowed him to have more open targets. Thus, his numbers are artificially inflated. I know TT is a read option threat, but Orton perfected the read option (I think the coaches nicknamed it "the K-Run offense"). TT will surpass Orton's rating because I read somewhere that TT has been watching Orton film from last year to see how he utilized his speed and legs on read option plays. I loved how he ran on 3rd and pu$$y.
BringBackFergy Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 I loved how he ran on 3rd and pu$$y. Check your stats...that was an intentional slide to draw a penalty flag for roughing the passer. It didn't work out but it showed he had guts.
dave mcbride Posted October 21, 2015 Author Posted October 21, 2015 (edited) I will state that I hate any argument based on the NFL's passer rating. If statistics are like bikinis as stated by Aaron Levenstein, the NFL's NFL Passer rating is a retro fashion, one piece suit of QB stats. It is not only missing vital insight but it can be misleading as well. Some things missed: 1) QB runs for first downs and TDs which obviously is a plus for EJ and a huge plus for Tyrod. 2) QBs that avoid sacks or minimize the yardage lost to them, often by throwing an incomplete pass or sensing pressure and moving forward. 3) QB that lead scoring drives that are capped by a short yardage score by a RB. 4) QBs that can protect the ball at all times, whether in the pocket or out. QB fumbles are huge game changers, moreso than ints. Some ints are like punts or offer no advantage to the other team but a QB fumble lost rarely is . 5) The game context of when attempts, completions, TDs and Ints occur. The NFL passer rating can hide many flaws. Kyle Orton is the type of QB that benefits most from it. I can think of no stronger argument for the traditional passer rating system than the extremely strong correlation between the mostly lousy rating stats put up by Bills' QBs and the Bills QBs' mostly lousy performances for the last couple of decades. Edited October 21, 2015 by dave mcbride
BringBackFergy Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 I can think of no stronger argument for the traditional passer rating system than the extremely strong correlation between the mostly lousy rating stats put up by Bills' QBs and the Bills QBs' mostly lousy performances for the last couple of decades. LOL
T master Posted October 21, 2015 Posted October 21, 2015 Orton was the best!!! According to Brandon Marshal !!
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