Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 20, 2015 Posted October 20, 2015 This whole dropping guys into coverage thing is overblown. Happened a few times. When a guy like lebeau does it, it is hailed as genius.
webtoe Posted October 20, 2015 Posted October 20, 2015 This whole dropping guys into coverage thing is overblown. Happened a few times. When a guy like lebeau does it, it is hailed as genius. All that matters is results. If dropping in coverage was resulting in the same dominating defense we saw at the end of last year, nobody would care.
YoloinOhio Posted October 20, 2015 Posted October 20, 2015 This whole dropping guys into coverage thing is overblown. Happened a few times. When a guy like lebeau does it, it is hailed as genius. I completely agree
dorquemada Posted October 20, 2015 Posted October 20, 2015 This whole dropping guys into coverage thing is overblown. Happened a few times. When a guy like lebeau does it, it is hailed as genius. Except that Lebeau fields leading defenses. Rex is an alltime leader in hype before the season, it's a shame that isn't a useful stat when trying to get into the playoffs
BarleyNY Posted October 20, 2015 Posted October 20, 2015 This whole dropping guys into coverage thing is overblown. Happened a few times. When a guy like lebeau does it, it is hailed as genius. That was because Lebeau was doing it 2 decades ago. He was incredibly innovative, but - much like Tom Landry's shotgun formation - eventually everyone else copies you to a degree and gets used to seeing and handling it on the other side of the ball.
DC Greg Posted October 20, 2015 Posted October 20, 2015 My thoughts exactly. Wonder what his screen name is.. I share his take on the team to the word. Kelly2JesusTD12
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 20, 2015 Posted October 20, 2015 The Bills have dropped Kyle Williams into pass coverage too, and he got a good grade for doing it. Rex Ryan had Jerry Hughes covering Rob Gronkowski, and he did pretty good also. When these guys drop into pass coverage the Bills then sometimes only rush three Bills players. You would think that after the Bills D getting burned by Tom Brady for 466 passing yards in week two(Which set a franchise worst record) they would have changed up the defense. Instead the coaches blame the players by stated they are to slow to adapt to this "complex" defense! What a bunch of crap!! Those are four pro bowlers on the Bills D line. Last night a team with inferior defensive talent in the Eagles had their D linemen spaced in a wide style which allowed the players to get to Eli Manning quickly. Just like Jim Schartz's wide nine used to do. Manning looked confused most of the game going 24 of 38 for 189 1 TD, 2 INT's and one was a pick six. Rex Ryan was given the keys to last years #4 defense in the NFL, and #1 in sacks, and drove it into a muddy ravine. The Giants receivers both have injured hamstrings. You don't need help over the top and can bump and stack the box against the run since they both looked slow. The quick passing offense doesn't work, and the receivers couldn't get separation. Couple of coverage sacks, and in general that newhouse had a terrible game. I don't remember Mario giving newhouse that many problems... PERHAPS mario isnt as good as he and everyone else thinks he is.
ProcessAccepted Posted October 20, 2015 Posted October 20, 2015 This whole dropping guys into coverage thing is overblown. Happened a few times. When a guy like lebeau does it, it is hailed as genius. Maybe it worked when Lebeau did it. This is the same front four that terrorized the league last year. Something is clearly wrong in Buffalo and it needs to the addressed while this season can still be saved.
T master Posted October 20, 2015 Posted October 20, 2015 Apparently every one see's this but the Rex & Dennis ! From what i read about Rex defensive stats since Thurmon took over it's time he fires him & moves on !!
billsfanmd07 Posted October 20, 2015 Posted October 20, 2015 Worst thing is Rex had the Deer in the headlights looking for answers face after the game presser. We did not pay 25m for that.
NoSaint Posted October 20, 2015 Posted October 20, 2015 Worst thing is Rex had the Deer in the headlights looking for answers face after the game presser. We did not pay 25m for that. to be fair, we didnt pay rex for his faces in post game pressers..... hopefully he can get the defense sorted out though.
outsidethebox Posted October 20, 2015 Posted October 20, 2015 The Giants receivers both have injured hamstrings. You don't need help over the top and can bump and stack the box against the run since they both looked slow. The quick passing offense doesn't work, and the receivers couldn't get separation. Couple of coverage sacks, and in general that newhouse had a terrible game. I don't remember Mario giving newhouse that many problems... PERHAPS mario isnt as good as he and everyone else thinks he is. This!!! He's damn near invisible most games.
RyanC883 Posted October 20, 2015 Posted October 20, 2015 Can Rex and bring in Jim as HC. Put Schwartz as DC and Roman as OC. If Roman leaves, perhaps Reich comes back (although that 1st and 2 that they couldn't convert despite 4 tries was pathetic).
Acantha Posted October 20, 2015 Posted October 20, 2015 (edited) Seems as if Rex wanted to put his own stamp on this defense to try and prove something;I said a similar thing about the offense after the Giants game. It looked like they went into that game with the idea that they were going to run against the best run defense in the league no matter what. Just to prove they could. Most of the way through the 3rd quarter they finally started passing down field (against the last place pass defense) and the offense finally started moving. Looked like nothing but stubbornness. I don't remember Mario giving newhouse that many problems... PERHAPS mario isnt as good as he and everyone else thinks he is.It's hard to say without knowing the scheme, which nobody here does. Just because they aren't dropped into coverage, doesn't mean their job is to all out blitz. They could be told to plug holes, or hold the edge, or take up blockers. All I know is that last year they were monsters, and with a DL of Hughes, Williams, Dareus, and Mario, there's just no excuse. Even if age all of sudden hit Mario and he's in the midst of a huge drop off in talent, he should still be able to get to the QB regularly playing next to those other guys. As for the quick passing plays, yes it can negate the overwhelming pass rush we should be generating, but there's a reason teams don't just always play that way. Any interruption in the routes screws with the timing of the play. Everyone has to be on the same page ALL the time. It opens up the possibility of mistakes and turnovers. Yes, a QB like Brady is going to be much better at and will always be a problem, but he's a problem no matter what defense he faces. Might as well try to hit him a few times a game and make him feel it! Not going all out after a historically error prone QB like Dalton is inexcusable! The good thing about everyone (players, ex-players) calling out this crappy scheme is that it hits Rex in the one place he needs to be hit, his ego. He's the "player's coach", the guy who seemed to love the attention he was getting from Thurman and Kelly, and now these guys are questioning his ability. I can only hold out hope that we'll start to see something different, specifically from the defense. If we don't see a better scheme after the bye, it might be hopeless. Edited October 20, 2015 by Acantha
Fadingpain Posted October 20, 2015 Posted October 20, 2015 Not sure how many more people need to tell Rex that he needs to change things (back). If he doesn't, then it's all on him. Or Pegula, the one guy who has the power to tell Rex to change things back. Maybe they will use the bye to run refresher training on a D scheme change back to the old system. Makes sense, no?
Doc Posted October 20, 2015 Posted October 20, 2015 Or Pegula, the one guy who has the power to tell Rex to change things back. Maybe they will use the bye to run refresher training on a D scheme change back to the old system. Makes sense, no? That's what I'm hoping.
ALF Posted October 20, 2015 Posted October 20, 2015 Nov 3 trade deadline Will Rex do a big deal for players that fit his defense ?
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 20, 2015 Posted October 20, 2015 That was because Lebeau was doing it 2 decades ago. He was incredibly innovative, but - much like Tom Landry's shotgun formation - eventually everyone else copies you to a degree and gets used to seeing and handling it on the other side of the ball. And yet last week, some writer was saying that the way to beat the Pats is to zone blitz them all the time-- i.e., dropping some of your d-linemen into coverage.
dpberr Posted October 20, 2015 Posted October 20, 2015 Blitzing. It's what all the historically great NFL defenses did no matter what era they played in. Rush the goddamn passer relentlessly. It's not that hard of a concept.
Fadingpain Posted October 20, 2015 Posted October 20, 2015 Jim Kelly was the foundation upon which one of the greatest rosters of all time was assembled. He knows what it is supposed to look like when things are going well. He also knows when things don't look right, like now. That's basically what he's saying.
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