fridge Posted October 19, 2015 Posted October 19, 2015 "knows for sure." "safe to assume." Same thing. Have fun trolling. Ok, see ya.
mattsox Posted October 19, 2015 Posted October 19, 2015 EJ is a nice guy but a terrible QB, I'd be supposed if he was still in the league in 3 years. Agreed. I doubt he will be unless he somehow learns how to the an NFL caliber QB overnight...
mabden Posted October 19, 2015 Posted October 19, 2015 It's the accuracy that does EJ in. He will never be a starter in the NFL (or even a quality back-up) if he can't be more accurate. Just about every crossing throw was like 2 yards behind the receiver. From what I observed with Ej, most of his inaccuracies can be attributed to not setting his feet and stepping into his throws.
sjjr Posted October 19, 2015 Posted October 19, 2015 I would love to say EJ should be the starter but its clear that this is Tyrod's job. There are three main things that separate him from EJ in this offense...accuracy, running ability and poise in the pocket. EJ had a decent completion percentage and yards yesterday but many of his completions forced receivers to stop and limited run after the catch. He also missed some completions he should have had. He was decisive, made some good calls at the line preplay and his arm looked live but what was most disappointing was his pocket movement. Maybe I am just used to looking at Tyrod, but EJ looked clumsy moving and was clearly easier to bring down for sacks. The Bills don't need Tyrod to throw for 300 yards and really he shouldn't most games. They need him to convert third downs, take care of the ball and make plays late in games that contribute to a win. The defense should be the unit that wins games for this team though.
hondo in seattle Posted October 19, 2015 Posted October 19, 2015 I don't think there was a huge drop off from Taylor's performance in most games. EJ leaves more plays out there by not throwing to open guys if there is a shorter route open. He also can't make the ridiculous plays with his legs that can make a difference if other things aren't working. I'd still start Taylor if he's healthy, but I still don't know if he's franchise quality. I'm pretty sure EJM isn't , but he's a decent backup. Before the Cincy game, both Woods and Watkins said they've been getting open but not getting targeted. I'm not convinced that EJ can develop into a good starting NFL QB. I'm not convinced EJ is better than TT or has more potential that TT. But neither do I believe EJ leaves more plays out there by not finding open receivers. I actually think TT has the bigger problem finding open guys down field. The OP forgot to mention that EJ actually caused Sammy Watkins to injure his ankle yesterday with that horrible, horrible TD throw. How convenient that he left that little morsel out. EJ injures his own teammates. This is a specious argument. EJ was on the run and threw the ball to a spot in the endzone between the Bengal defenders. Sammy is a world class athlete. I think EJ had a reasonable expectation that Sammy could make the catch without getting hurt. Every QB will ask his receivers to make catches like that sometimes. It's football. It's not a sport for ninnies.
GoBills! Posted October 19, 2015 Posted October 19, 2015 Will Tyrod get a pass this week when we suck out against the Jags...? People will say he had no talent to work with....others will say bring back EJ....Bengals D is a top 5 this year...EJ played second half with woods, moore, hogan, clay and shady.... Tyrod will have the same group this week against a terrible defense...I think its scary for tyrod not to perform with that group on a higher level or its opens the questions to who is the starter especailly against a weak D like the Jags... EJ had 4 practices with the #1's I think he did what we was suppose to do...keep them close and have the D give him chances to win, unfortunately they didnt.
fridge Posted October 19, 2015 Posted October 19, 2015 I would love to say EJ should be the starter but its clear that this is Tyrod's job. There are three main things that separate him from EJ in this offense...accuracy, running ability and poise in the pocket. EJ had a decent completion percentage and yards yesterday but many of his completions forced receivers to stop and limited run after the catch. He also missed some completions he should have had. He was decisive, made some good calls at the line preplay and his arm looked live but what was most disappointing was his pocket movement. Maybe I am just used to looking at Tyrod, but EJ looked clumsy moving and was clearly easier to bring down for sacks. The Bills don't need Tyrod to throw for 300 yards and really he shouldn't most games. They need him to convert third downs, take care of the ball and make plays late in games that contribute to a win. The defense should be the unit that wins games for this team though. EJ was sacked twice in 42 passing attempts... Tyrod was sacked 4 times against the Titans. EJ was 5/13 on 3rd downs, Tyrod was 4/12 against the Titans. Maybe it is an offense thing.
John from Riverside Posted October 19, 2015 Posted October 19, 2015 Will Tyrod get a pass this week when we suck out against the Jags...? People will say he had no talent to work with....others will say bring back EJ....Bengals D is a top 5 this year...EJ played second half with woods, moore, hogan, clay and shady.... Tyrod will have the same group this week against a terrible defense...I think its scary for tyrod not to perform with that group on a higher level or its opens the questions to who is the starter especailly against a weak D like the Jags... EJ had 4 practices with the #1's I think he did what we was suppose to do...keep them close and have the D give him chances to win, unfortunately they didnt. Unless TT is 100 percent I vote to keep EJ in the lineup......
sjjr Posted October 19, 2015 Posted October 19, 2015 EJ was sacked twice in 42 passing attempts... Tyrod was sacked 4 times against the Titans. EJ was 5/13 on 3rd downs, Tyrod was 4/12 against the Titans. Maybe it is an offense thing. Very different game with different style defenses. Also, it was a low scoring game with the Titans with a lot more conservative calls. EJ did have that bad grounding penalty that pushed the Bills back to punt inside their five too. With that said, there is no doubt that Tyrod and the offense did not play well against Tennessee. If Tyrod were out there against Cincinnati, it would have been a similar result no doubt. People don't want to recognize this, but the QB position is not the biggest problem on this team for once and it's not holding them back. The defense, special teams and coaching hasn't been good enough in the three losses and that's it.
K-9 Posted October 19, 2015 Posted October 19, 2015 EJ was sacked twice in 42 passing attempts... Tyrod was sacked 4 times against the Titans. EJ was 5/13 on 3rd downs, Tyrod was 4/12 against the Titans. Maybe it is an offense thing. Could very well be an offense thing. Aside from a glimpse here and there, like the play design on EJ's TD run yesterday, he hasn't been the offensive savant many of us were hoping to see. That said, we have been bit by the injury bug something fierce, so I am more than willing cut him a little slack. But only a little. Can't get the spector of that two minute offense vs the Giants out of my head. GO BILLS!!!
Captain_Quint Posted October 19, 2015 Posted October 19, 2015 Anyone with eyes can see Tyrod is a lot better than Manuel. But are they 'slow eyes'?????
GoBills! Posted October 19, 2015 Posted October 19, 2015 (edited) Unless TT is 100 percent I vote to keep EJ in the lineup...... I agree you keep this not being a controversy by allowing taylor 3 weeks off and pressure on EJ to perform against a bottom 10 D with a banged up lineup....If we lose they will say we need our starters healthy if we win they say we knew we could win this game with our guys we always had faith....you put Tyrod in and he blows it now people open the flood gates and the leash gets shorter.... Edited October 19, 2015 by GoBills!
John from Riverside Posted October 19, 2015 Posted October 19, 2015 I agree you keep this not being a controversy by allowing taylor 3 weeks off and pressure on EJ to perform against a bottom 10 D with a banged up lineup....If we lose they will say we need our starters healthy if we win they say we knew we could win this game with our guys we always had faith....you put Tyrod in and he blows it now people open the flood gates and the leash gets shorter.... What makes Tyrod Taylor special is he has the ability to make a big play happen with his feet.......he has a lower leg injury I want a 100 percent TT for the stretch run of the season.....play EJ Manuel against the jags If our D cant slow down the jags....then all of this is a moot point anyway.
stony Posted October 19, 2015 Posted October 19, 2015 (edited) What makes Tyrod Taylor special is he has the ability to make a big play happen with his feet.......he has a lower leg injury I want a 100 percent TT for the stretch run of the season.....play EJ Manuel against the jags If our D cant slow down the jags....then all of this is a moot point anyway. Right on. I'll take a Tennessee performance against the Jags as long as we come out of Wembley with a W. Rex has been blowing a bit of smoke lately, but he's damn right about being snake bit with the injuries. Like the old cliche says, the bye couldn't come at a better time. Edited October 19, 2015 by stony
NOVABillsFan Posted October 19, 2015 Posted October 19, 2015 I see Tyrod's mom has chimed in. or his wife.
HuSeYiN_NYC Posted October 19, 2015 Posted October 19, 2015 So it seems like EJ didn't impress enough for anyone to talk about him being the starter when Taylor returns from injury. I would argue that 1. there was zero drop off in overall production from the QB position with EJ in. 2. EJ actually had the best total passing yards in a Bills game this season. 3. EJ gets sacked once every 21 attempts and Tyrod has been sacked once per every 9.8 attempts 4. Tyrod loses on average 7.14 yards per sack and EJ has averaged 3.5 yards lost per sack 5. EJ had at least 6 completions to WRs in this game. Tyrod has struggled to hit WRs. Last game our top two wideo outs had 1 catch 6. EJ also made plays with his feet albeit less exciting ones but he got a TD and a bug first down when needed. 7. While the Bills went 3 and out an embarrassing 50% of the time under EJ, they did the same thing against the Titans under Tyrod and Taylor did even worse against the Giants where the Bills were 57% 3 and out. Both are throwing close to 70% completion, Tyrod a little over EJ a little under. Neither is tearing it up the way they should with all these weapons. Personally I think EJ has more potential because he actually can play from the pocket. If he has more practice time as the number one he could elevate his game. I feel like Taylor is already playing at the top of his game and the result is not much better than EJ in mid learning curve. I say start EJ against Jacksonville. If he doesn't play better than this week then Taylor can come back after the bye but if EJ plays well I think you use the BYE to establish EJ as the QB because these scrambling QBs don't last more than a few games without injury. My prediction is that EJ would have to start week 5 when Tyrod got hurt and I was only a week off. Michael Vick has only had one season out of 13 where he was able to avoid injury. That is a telling stat. Can you just accept the fact that EJ is not going to be a starter in this league? I know we spent a 1st on him and I personally was very excited to see his "growth" against the Bengals but I clearly am moving on and accept it not as a bust, but, we spent a 1st round pick to pick up a backup QB. Do I feel Tyrod is the answer? I can't say yes and I can't say no. The only thing I do know is I've seen enough of EJ and am moving on to seeing what Tyrod can do for this franchise. I also understand that EJ only has 15 games under his belt and it's not fair to judge a QB after only 15 starts blah blah blah. That's fine and dandy to access the situation like that anywhere else but, this is Buffalo. A team which hasn't made the playoffs in 15 years. A team who is QB hungry. I say we leave EJ where he is at backup QB and just ride the Tyrod bandwagon for this year and see what he can do for us. I'm very upset we lost also but the remainder of the schedule is ok in my opinion. But then again, after last week's loss, I'm kind of worried about the Jaguars game. Hopefully the team can come together but as far as QB goes, Tyrod all the way.
ricojes Posted October 19, 2015 Posted October 19, 2015 Unless TT is 100 percent I vote to keep EJ in the lineup...... I'd take TT at 90 over EJ at 100...
NOVABillsFan Posted October 19, 2015 Posted October 19, 2015 (edited) EJ was sacked twice in 42 passing attempts... Tyrod was sacked 4 times against the Titans. EJ was 5/13 on 3rd downs, Tyrod was 4/12 against the Titans. Maybe it is an offense thing. I am beginning to see an obvious trend here. Even with similar numbers this EJ kid sucks while Taylor is performing well. Edited October 19, 2015 by NOVABillsFan
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