Uffalo Ills Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 They need to go back to Wide 9. The priority of stopping the run seems a bit anachronistic in today's NFL. They're getting shredded by pass-first offenses. 100%. This is a pass first league. We cant expect to win by covering the one thing teams dont do.
26CornerBlitz Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 @JaySkurski #Bills LB Preston Brown: "That was bad today. That was awful in the second half. ... I mean, we can't go out there and look like that."
VADC Bills Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 (edited) The worst defense we have had in 3 years. I'm not impressed by Thurman's scheme's. Rex is ultimately responsible. The defense has been paid based on their performance of past couple of years. If I am Pegula, I tell Rex to scheme similar to the years past or move on because it seems as though Pettine had a better understanding of integrating the scheme with the personnel better than Rex.. Rex has turned these guys into rich fat cats. There is no fire anymore. I haven't the consistent big plays like we had in the past. Edited October 18, 2015 by VADC Bills
hondo in seattle Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 Maybe it's a matter of dismantling something to rebuild it. But right now, it's hard not to miss Jim Schwartz. Our D look overwhelmed out there. Rex ought to get the vets together and ask them: "Why were you more effective last year?"
Fixxxer Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 I have to think it's scheme based issues. I know we find ourselves unsure as to what responsibilities players have in a 3-4 vs a Rex Ryan 3-4, but in a traditional 3-4 your DT is a NT/anchor. Think Ted Washington. It's a role that is meant to consume as many blockers as possible. Then you have 2 very physical DE's, almost closer to what a conventional pass rushing 4-3 DT would be. The outside backers are your real pass rushers, but they have to be athletic enough to cover as they will drop into coverage. Ideally you wouldn't want your OLB's to essentially be converted DE's. Can Dareus be an outstanding 3-4 NT? Sure, but he's a heck of a interior pass rusher and if you make him an NT you take that away. Can Mario be an OLB? Sure. He's incredibly athletic, but do you really want him to be dropping back into coverage? Same with Hughes. On the flip side, both Hughes and Mario are not ideal 3-4 DE's. Since we don't have a true 3-4 DE, why not move Kyle over. Can Kyle be a very good 3-4 DE? Sure, he has the qualities, but it's certainly not his natural position. A 4-3 defense is what this team is built around. Mario is a text book 4-3 DE. Hughes is a mix between a 4-3 End and a 3-4 OLB. Kyle and Dareus are dominating as 4-3 DT's. This whole player fit was my concern entering the season but I felt based on Pettine it wouldn't hurt us. Well, it seems to be hurting us. Perhaps Rex brings twice the playbook, as most have commented, this defense does not seem to be playing right now. They seem to be stuck in assignment mode, often times not even knowing the assignment. Players need to play, not think. We have the wrong roster for the system and in the ways that it's functional, Rex has done a poor job putting players in position to be successful by what is being asked of them. The whole term "A Rex Ryan" defense. I just don't think Rex knows how to dumb it down so guys can just play. He has to have his urine all over it to fit the Bravado that is Rex Ryan. I would rather have a defense not named after it's coach, but named after it's players, with a coach that is putting his players in the best places to be successful at all times regardless if it lacks some sort coaching name brand. Who is responsible for the Legion of Boom? Pete Carroll. His name doesn't get attached to it like a Rex Ryan defense, but it's one of the best defensive runs in the last 15 years. It's named after the players and I really don't think a guy like Carroll cares what they call it or what he does. He just wants to win. Rex needs to stop peeing on stuff and let the talent on this team make him look good. Excellent post KzooMike. Schwartz was smart enough to put his guys in position to make positive contributions to the defense. Rex Ryan is trying too hart do put his stamp on this defense that he's losing sight of what is best regarding the talent he has at hand.
26CornerBlitz Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 @viccarucci Coming in my full #Bills-#Bengals analysis: D-line is clearly unhappy with the scheme. Mario Williams & Jerry Hughes voiced complaints. We've heard Hughes, Kyle Williams & Marcell Dareus talk about adjusting to the new scheme. They are clearly more frustrated. #Bills
Bacchus44 Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 (edited) I agree with those that said that the Thurman/Ryan scheme has gotten "too cute". You would think that good coaches can change things up from week to week to counter what type of offense they are playing against, but it seems to me that they are playing the same way every week. While their scheme might seem to work against a younger QB, it isn't working against a good veteran QB. I assume that as other good offensive coaches see this, they might carbon copy their offense to play the same way. In looking at their remaining schedule, they certainly have a chance to win against any of the teams - except the Pats and Cowboys (if Romo is back, obviously). Only problem is that as soon as we have to face a good QB in a playoff game (if we make it), we will see the exact same thing as we saw against NE, Cinci & the Giants. The good QB's will have our defense for lunch. Edited October 18, 2015 by Sabesfan71
offyourocker Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 Maybe Rex should save his career as a head coach and call Schwartz to see if he would come be his DC
hondo in seattle Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 Watching today, I had to wonder how the team would be doing if Jim Schwartz had stayed at DC and we got someone like Hue Jackson as the head coach. I had similar thoughts. Or what if we had hired Greg Roman as HC and he retained Jim Schwartz?
Fixxxer Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 I had similar thoughts. Or what if we had hired Greg Roman as HC and he retained Jim Schwartz? Hue Jackson as HC/OC with Schwartz as DC.
Big C Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 Hue Jackson as HC/OC with Schwartz as DC. I definitely liked the idea of going with Hue and Schwartz before Rex came along and got the job. I want to believe in Rex, but at this point he has to show us that he isn't too stubborn to make some changes.
ScrewyLouie Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 (edited) I've heard all sorts of rationalization for the regression but at what point do you say, ya...It's not as good as last years team. The defense is playing 10th-15th rated football right now, no better, no worse. The 2013 squad rated 4th in Footballoutsiders.com DVOA, 2014 squad rated #2, the 2015 squad rates 10th, and will surely be falling to the 15 range after this game. I'm having a hard time with our defense regressing at the hands of a HC whose supposed to the best defensive mind in the business. It's hard for me to reconcile what that says about his coaching abilities? The path to the playoffs was with the defense being elite. We have 100's of millions tied up into the DL with a couple of those guys likely approaching decline based on age vs the incline. This really looked to be our window defensively to be special and it's just not happening. Players aren't lining up right, they're struggling to communicate, the deep seams are wide open, we haven't solved for the short passing game, we have no game plan for above average TE's, and our pressure is marginal. Now we might have lost K. Williams? How can't this reflect very poorly on Rex? It's his specialty and a regression from elite to average is enough to keep us out of the playoffs. ------------------------ I was telling everyone before the season started that Rex would ruin Schwartz's defense. People said i was nuts and Ryan would make them the best defense in the NFL. Well folks I would take Scwartz's defense that was ranked in the top five over Rex's so called best defense in the history of the NFL. LOL He's got them ranked in the bottom half of the league. Rex came to Buffalo and fed the kool aid to the local yokals. They swallowed hook, line and sinker! Who said Buffalo fans were the dumbest in the NFL? Yeah Jets fans tried to warn the bozos but they were too drunk on the kool aid. SIXTEEN YEARS IN A ROW!! WOW! Edited October 18, 2015 by ScrewyLouie
Georgia Bill Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 (edited) Maybe it's a matter of dismantling something to rebuild it. But right now, it's hard not to miss Jim Schwartz. Our D look overwhelmed out there. Rex ought to get the vets together and ask them: "Why were you more effective last year?" He ought to, but he won't. I think his ego is big enough that he wants to prove how great "his" defense is. As many others have said, we need to get rid of the thick playbook, moving everybody around to "confuse" the offense. Seems we're only confusing ourselves. When Mario Williams starts talking about how often he's asked to drop into coverage, you ought to have an inkling that there's a problem. I mean seriously, pass coverage - that's the best way to use him? I'm seriously missing the Schwartz Edited October 18, 2015 by Georgia Bill
26CornerBlitz Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 @AlbertBreer Bills DE Mario Williams sounds off on defensive line's struggles, and their frustration with Rex's scheme: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000560221/article/mario-williams-sounds-off-on-bills-defensive-scheme ORCHARD PARK, N.Y. -- The Bills are 3-3. And in the AFC, that leaves their season very much alive and well. But for the second time this year, Rex Ryan's defense allowed an offense to come into Ralph Wilson Stadium, seize control of the pace and tenor of game, and break 30 points on the vaunted group. Worse yet, it's the quarterbacks in question -- Tom Brady and Andy Dalton -- who've been in command when faced with a defensive line comprised of a quartet of accomplished and handsomely-paid pass rushers. That hasn't been lost on Mario Williams.
MichFan Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 I'm left to wonder, will TPegs let the Bills go the way of the Sabres, or did he learn and will he ensure adjustments get made immediately. I never liked letting Schwartz go, he had his finger on the pulse of this defense. Ryan has proven he is unable to get production out of them and now one of the best players is openly questioning his calls. The season hangs in the balance and it's only week 6.
Fixxxer Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 I definitely liked the idea of going with Hue and Schwartz before Rex came along and got the job. I want to believe in Rex, but at this point he has to show us that he isn't too stubborn to make some changes. Me too and I agree, I don't see him changing his stripes. How many times did we hear him say he's not going to change who he is?
26CornerBlitz Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 @ChrisTrapasso Summary on #Bills D: may be overscheming (which is mainly diff btwn Rex/Schwrtz) but QB throwing in 1.8-2.2 secs will negate *any* pass-rush
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