Mikie2times Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 (edited) I've heard all sorts of rationalization for the regression but at what point do you say, ya...It's not as good as last years team. The defense is playing 10th-15th rated football right now, no better, no worse. The 2013 squad rated 4th in Footballoutsiders.com DVOA, 2014 squad rated #2, the 2015 squad rates 10th, and will surely be falling to the 15 range after this game. I'm having a hard time with our defense regressing at the hands of a HC whose supposed to the best defensive mind in the business. It's hard for me to reconcile what that says about his coaching abilities? The path to the playoffs was with the defense being elite. We have 100's of millions tied up into the DL with a couple of those guys likely approaching decline based on age vs the incline. This really looked to be our window defensively to be special and it's just not happening. Players aren't lining up right, they're struggling to communicate, the deep seams are wide open, we haven't solved for the short passing game, we have no game plan for above average TE's, and our pressure is marginal. Now we might have lost K. Williams? How can't this reflect very poorly on Rex? It's his specialty and a regression from elite to average is enough to keep us out of the playoffs. Edited October 18, 2015 by KzooMike
26CornerBlitz Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 I've heard all sorts of rationalization for the regression but at what point do you say, ya...It's not as good as last years team. The defense is playing 10th-15th rated football right now, no better, no worse. The 2013 squad rated 4th in Footballoutsiders.com DVOA, 2014 squad rated #2, the 2015 squad rates 10th, and will surely be falling to the 15 range after this game. I'm having a hard time with our defense regressing at the hands of a HC whose supposed to the best defensive mind in the business. It's hard for me to reconcile what that says about his coaching abilities? The path to the playoffs was with the defense being elite. We have 100's of millions tied up into the DL with a couple of those guys likely approaching decline based on age vs the incline. This really looked to be our window defensively to be special and it's just not happening. Players aren't lining up right, they're struggling to communicate, the deep seams are wide open, we haven't solved for the short passing game, we have no game plan for above average TE's, and our pressure is marginal. Now we might have lost K. Williams? How can't this reflect very poorly on Rex? It's his specialty and a regression from elite to average is enough to keep us out of the playoffs. Not enough to win consistently against good teams.
NickelCity Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 Doug Marrone > Rex Ryan While I don't agree with that at ALL, I'm not pleased with how we're using the DLine.
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 I am puzzled by the defense. We are actually better talentwise in all areas, including, especially, in the secondary. The Run D seems to be pretty good. I thought getting picked apart by short passes was a NE thing only, but the Bungles basically did it today.
Big C Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 Doug Marrone Jim Schwartz > Rex Ryan I am puzzled by the defense. We are actually better talentwise in all areas, including, especially, in the secondary. The Run D seems to be pretty good. I thought getting picked apart by short passes was a NE thing only, but the Bungles basically did it today. Still think it comes back to the scheme. Our DBs are doing their job, but up front it's a mess.
peterpan Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 (edited) Doug Marrone > Rex Ryan I wouldn't say that. More like Schwartz > Rex. Schwatrz has been a big defensive name in theis league for a long time lest we forget. I think every fan was sad to see him go. And I wish we still had him! Our scheme simply doesn't fit our players. We should be letting our front 4 loose. Cover with the back end and cover those short passes better. Instead Rex's scheme asks them to tie up blockers and rely more on blitzs. Edited October 18, 2015 by peterpan
Lofton80 Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 (edited) Seems to be a lot of confusion when Cinci came out in different formations. Seems like no edge rush at all. And don't blame on quick throws as Dalton was back there a long time on some key throws. Edited October 18, 2015 by Lofton80
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 We've played a few really tight offenses in the 3 losses. 3 of the best in the nfl. We have to stop having stinker games when wer playing good teams.
Coach Tuesday Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 They need to go back to Wide 9. The priority of stopping the run seems a bit anachronistic in today's NFL. They're getting shredded by pass-first offenses.
Southern Bills Fan Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 What's so surprising is that the front 7 seem confused on almost every third down. They never seem to be ready when the ball is snapped.
ToGoGo Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 I mean, didn't Pettine come in here with the Rex defense and do amazing with pretty much the same personnel? Rex's defense is very complex, and TBH at times I feel we're better off just playing basic football instead of sending Kyle Williams into coverage on running backs like we did in the Pats game. I honestly don't know what's going on. I want to congratulate the Bengals pass protection but then I realize they played as well as every other O-line we faced. I'm going to be following this thread closely. I want to hear from someone knowledgeable what they think is really going on and how it can be fixed.
NoSaint Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 Seems to be a lot of confusion when Cinci came out in different formations. Seems like no edge rush at all. And don't blame on quick throws as Dalton was back there a long time on some key throws. There were numerous times where we were totally mixed up on assignments presnap. Somethings not clicking on the mental side with the unit.
dave mcbride Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 They need to go back to Wide 9. The priority of stopping the run seems a bit anachronistic in today's NFL. They're getting shredded by pass-first offenses. Jerry Hughes is better than he's looking now. He's partly responsible for his own extreme lack of production, but I can't help but conclude that he's being seriously misused.
26CornerBlitz Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 @MatthewFairburn Mario Williams doesn't seem too enthused with his role in Rex Ryan's defense. Said he might have set a record for dropping in coverage today Mario said he probably set a personal record for dropping into coverage ... didn't say he's "unhappy" with role but sure sounded like it
Fixxxer Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 (edited) What's so surprising is that the front 7 seem confused on almost every third down. They never seem to be ready when the ball is snapped. that drives me !@#$ing nuts. We look clueless and dumb on defense. Bullies, yeah right. Edited October 18, 2015 by Fixxxer
CardinalScotts Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 (edited) the offense has trouble getting first downs defense is on the field the whole time...wears them out you have to help the defense with your offense but our o line cant move good d lines....bengals are good both sides of the ball just get to 5-3 at the break Edited October 18, 2015 by CardinalScotts
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 (edited) Anybody else notice that our Dfront is always floating around and getting cute. It seems like we need to put our hands in the dirt and get off on the snap of the ball. Edited October 18, 2015 by The Thurmanator
Coach Tuesday Posted October 18, 2015 Posted October 18, 2015 Jerry Hughes is better than he's looking now. He's partly responsible for his own extreme lack of production, but I can't help but conclude that he's being seriously misused. I'm telling you, to my untrained eye, it's the rush angles. Last year they were pinching the pocket on every passing play (while pickling peppers). This year they seem to be rushing straighter upfield, leaving the pocket intact. It seems to me that they're doing it to better account for the rushing lanes but they're not collapsing the pocket at all. Ever. It's asinine.
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