K-9 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Perhaps in a "win now/playoffs or bust" season, a solid vet option at QB is worth just a teeny bit more than a 5th rounder two years from now. And yes, good depth is how rosters are constructed. Good depth at what positions for which coaches running what schemes? Everyone understands depth is vital to success but depth at certain positions varies. If our OLine was as decimated by injury on a percentage comparison basis, who would Bucky be telling us Whaley was stupid for letting go? GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 flag for straw man...it was widely reported fred would have renegotiated to stay and he's not costing seattle much. cassell was resigned cheap as well I agree Fred should have been resigned. But Whaley saw how good KW was playing and, with Shady getting the bulk of the carries and Boobie the short yardage guy, DW didn't see a role for Freddy. Besides, KW and Boobie were both cheap and young and DW was doing all the penny-pinching he could to resign Marcel as well as save money for next year's resignings. Even if he took a paycut, Freddy would still have been older and more expensive than the other two backups. I'm just saying that you can either see that DW is a smart personnel guy with a reasonable rationale for what he does (whether you agree not). Or you can suggest - like Bucky - that he's an arrogant man-child petulantly and ineptly playing at GM. It seems to me that the first explanation is more consistent with the truth. The Pegulas - and Ralph and Brandon before them - would have to be absolute idiots to retain the services of the latter version of DW and I don't think they're idiots. And while DW's made mistakes along the way, it's hard to argue that this Bills squad isn't more talented than the one we had a few years ago. Again, my complaint about Bucky is the unsubstantiated ad hominen attacks that DW is arrogant and/or insecure. If you want to cast unkind hand grenades, at least support them with something more than speculation and innuendo. My only take-away from Bucky's article is that Bucky doesn't like Whaley. I didn't find his piece insightful in any other way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Good depth at what positions for which coaches running what schemes? Everyone understands depth is vital to success but depth at certain positions varies. If our OLine was as decimated by injury on a percentage comparison basis, who would Bucky be telling us Whaley was stupid for letting go? GO BILLS!!! No one. We didn't have competent depth at the position. Much different than 3 competent QB's. One of which is injury prone and the other is a runner. This keeps happening to Doug. Second season in a row with no vet back-up. I guess he couldn't be expected to think glass-Kolb wouldn't last, right? How could anyone have known that he might get hurt? I mean, if Goodwin broke his ribs next week, would we say, "how was Whaley supposed to know that Goodwin might get hurt, you can't plan for that!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 (edited) Valuable to whom? As I have said previously, different coaches and schemes place different values on different positions. Yes, in hindsight, we are now thin. But you simply cannot make every roster decision and on the basis of who MIGHT get hurt. GO BILLS!!! This game is all about risk vs reward, and the successful teams are very good at managing that trade off. Rex may have wanted his big body TE and Crossman wanted the KO specialist, but prudent evaluation would have put a premium on the QB position because you have a smaller statured QB who likes to run and a back up with an injury history. Those are very tough odds to be gambling a playoff season away with. how are they exposed any more than the rest of the teams who carry 2 QBs and sign a 3rd if the 1st gets hurt, then cuts the 3rd when the 1st comes back? It is common, no? I don't think it had anything to do with the KOS. Roster spots are valuable, especially as injuries pile up throughout the season, and that's why he is gone now too. Players are not fungible. You can take that risk when Tom Brady is your QB who rarely takes a hit and almost never missed game action (save for a freak injury). You don't take that risk when your QBs are still unproven. This risk was pointed out this summer, just like the risk was pointed out of going into a season with Kevin Kolb and a rookie EJ. These are not low risk probabilities that are coming to fruition. PS - The decision to trade Cassel is more questionable if you consider that Ryan isn't lying about Taylor playing through an ankle injury all season. Edited October 14, 2015 by GG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 (edited) Disagree, IMO Cassel would have been Bradyesque, and Manningesque, (both statues by the way) at getting the ball out in about 2 seconds. FWIW, MC, not nearly as gifted physically as EJ or TT, has shown the ability to read the coverage pre snap and know where to go with the ball pre snap. That's something that both EeeeeeeJ and TeeeeT seem to be lacking. Please don't equate Cassel to Tom Brady or either Manning, as Matt can't* hold any of their JS's! Cassel sucks, and all he would do in Buffalo as the starter is dump the ball off three times for nine yards per series. Lets look at Matt Cassel in 2009 on the Chiefs when he went 4-11 while throwing 16 TD's & 16 INT's. In 2011 he went 4-5 with 10 TD's & 9 INT's. His worst season was in 2012 where he went 1-7, and threw 6 TD's & 12 INT's. He was later a healthy bench for Brady Quinn If you watched him play in the pre season games he was given every chance to become the starter, and instead the Bills cut him outright. Then they brought him back for league min. Edited October 14, 2015 by Nihilarian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 This board is going to blaze if meh does well and EJ stinks it up. at least the Dallas bye defers it a week. Imagine if the Cowboys game here was this week instead of after Xmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 This game is all about risk vs reward, and the successful teams are very good at managing that trade off. Rex may have wanted his big body TE and Crossman wanted the KO specialist, but prudent evaluation would have put a premium on the QB position because you have a smaller statured QB who likes to run and a back up with an injury history. Those are very tough odds to be gambling a playoff season away with. Players are not fungible. You can take that risk when Tom Brady is your QB who rarely takes a hit and almost never missed game action (save for a freak injury). You don't take that risk when your QBs are still unproven. This risk was pointed out this summer, just like the risk was pointed out of going into a season with Kevin Kolb and a rookie EJ. These are not low risk probabilities that are coming to fruition. I can forgive the brain trust for not thinking that Cassel was the key to our playoff dreams. I think I've said all I can on the subject of roster construction. Unlike Bucky and the hindsight brigade, I will wait to see how it all plays out. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Bucky who was advocating Cassel as starter is taking a new tactic to try to prove himself right Considering a choice between Cassel, Tyrod and EJ, it took ZERO guts, insight or football knowledge to pick Cassel over the other two. Cassel's the one with the best track record (albeit well back in the rear view mirror), Picking Cassel gives you the most room to say, "see I told you so". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 I can forgive the brain trust for not thinking that Cassel was the key to our playoff dreams. I think I've said all I can on the subject of roster construction. Unlike Bucky and the hindsight brigade, I will wait to see how it all plays out. GO BILLS!!! Is it hindsight if I disagreed with the trade when it happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 flag for straw man...it was widely reported fred would have renegotiated to stay and he's not costing seattle much. cassell was resigned cheap as well I'd rather have Bryce Brown but Rex doesn't like him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 This board is going to blaze if meh does well and EJ stinks it up. at least the Dallas bye defers it a week. I disagree, as most Bills fans realize that the Bills offensive line is kinda crappy right now, and so is the run game with Boobie, and another lamb off the PS. The Bills offense is basically in shambles with injuries, Shady, Sammy, Karlos, and i have to wonder if Percy isn't hurting the way he hasn't gotten separation recently. OTOH the Cowboys have the leagues best offensive line and would be able to protect Cassel better then Buffalo would. But then again we will be laughing when we see Cassel throwing safe five yard outs all game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Is it hindsight if I disagreed with the trade when it happened? Not at all. Way too early to say it was the wrong move, though. Especially when the entirety of Bucky's premise is based on a random occurrence. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 I'd rather have Bryce Brown but Rex doesn't like him. But according to Bucky, that would not matter....Whaley being insecure and all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 But according to Bucky, that would not matter....Whaley being insecure and all Wait, I thought Whaley was arrogant. Damn, which is it?! GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Meh?! F!@#ing Meh?! Why do we care? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 BTW, let me be the first to say I am torn on this thread. On one hand, very different points of view being discussed civilly and and both sides making their case. What a thread should look like . OTOH, no one calling the other side idiots ...little less fun no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 BTW, let me be the first to say I am torn on this thread. On one hand, very different points of view being discussed civilly and and both sides making their case. What a thread should look like . OTOH, no one calling the other side idiots ...little less fun no? I'm just here so I don't get fined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 More Pasta Joe Ej crusading ftw ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 Haha, exactly. I keep saying the same thing. It is why guys like Josh Johnson are on the weekly payment plan. No GM wants 3 QBs taking up active roster spots if they can help it. The Browns do that... an organization to look at and do the opposite. I would rather have 3 QB's than 3 kickers just saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 BTW, let me be the first to say I am torn on this thread. On one hand, very different points of view being discussed civilly and and both sides making their case. What a thread should look like . OTOH, no one calling the other side idiots ...little less fun no? LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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