Nihilarian Posted October 14, 2015 Posted October 14, 2015 so once again, how do you reconcile whaley signing cassel twice and being a good gm while having that opinion of cassel? I think there should be another poll option: "whaley is not a good (or at least great) gm". As bad as Cassel has played in different years I can reconcile Whaley signing him by giving the two young inexperienced QB's a veteran presence on the roster. In the right situation Cassel has shown to be an effective QB to a degree, (under ex Patriots OC's) so I can understand signing him in the off season. Then once the pre season began and we all saw what we could expect to see from him in Buffalo it was the right thing to do to dump him. JMO
Boatdrinks Posted October 14, 2015 Posted October 14, 2015 I think their value on the open market speaks to that cassell wasn't worth much nor was taylor. I think we can be somewhat confident in assuming manuel had little trade value since they chose to keep him over cassel. that reflects on whaley, not the players. I'd have to guess that Manuel's trade value would be significantly higher than Cassel. Young QB with upside, high pick with starting experience. Athletic, affordable contract. Vs older vet with experience, modest success, virtually no upside. But Cassel was wanted as a stopgap until Romo's return. It's unlikely the Cowboys even inquired re: Manuel . The Cowboys also needed an answer from the Bills in short order, so the deal was done. I saw nothing in preseason that showed Cassel was any better than EJ. Can't blame the Bills for trading a guy that wasn't in next years plans anyway.
FireChan Posted October 14, 2015 Posted October 14, 2015 God forbid anyone criticize Lord Whaley. The man is infallible. Seriously. As if other GM's aren't held responsible for calculated risks that mess up.
Captain Hindsight Posted October 15, 2015 Posted October 15, 2015 EJ hasn't played in a year and everyone just assumes he hasn't improved at all. If he goes out sunday and can't complete a single pass, then yeah Whaley screwed up. If he gives the team a chance, then it was smart to recoup the picks
birdog1960 Posted October 15, 2015 Posted October 15, 2015 EJ hasn't played in a year and everyone just assumes he hasn't improved at all. If he goes out sunday and can't complete a single pass, then yeah Whaley screwed up. If he gives the team a chance, then it was smart to recoup the picks that's the threshold? not completing a single pass? sorry, i don't believe and certainly hope that the coaches, owners and anyone not named whaley that works for the bills disagree.
FireChan Posted October 15, 2015 Posted October 15, 2015 EJ hasn't played in a year and everyone just assumes he hasn't improved at all. If he goes out sunday and can't complete a single pass, then yeah Whaley screwed up. If he gives the team a chance, then it was smart to recoup the picks What if EJ plays fantastically, then he gets his 4th knee injury in the 2nd quarter?
Big Gun Posted October 15, 2015 Posted October 15, 2015 Amazing how quickly people forget how terrible EeeeeJay was last year, yet remember how bad Cassel was years ago. Then proclaim EJ as great maybe even better than TT and also forget EJ was in street clothes just a couple of weeks ago, and it was not because of injury. Whatever!
LB3 Posted October 15, 2015 Posted October 15, 2015 (edited) Amazing how quickly people forget how terrible EeeeeJay was last year, yet remember how bad Cassel was years ago. Then proclaim EJ as great maybe even better than TT and also forget EJ was in street clothes just a couple of weeks ago, and it was not because of injury. Whatever! Yawn. I'm sure Cassel's noodle arm really excited you. Edited October 15, 2015 by LBSeeBallLBGetBall
Nihilarian Posted October 15, 2015 Posted October 15, 2015 (edited) Amazing how quickly people forget how terrible EeeeeJay was last year, yet remember how bad Cassel was years ago. Then proclaim EJ as great maybe even better than TT and also forget EJ was in street clothes just a couple of weeks ago, and it was not because of injury. Whatever! Perhaps you didn't watch the pre season games but a lot of Bills fans think EJ did enough to win the starting job, as did Tyrod Taylor. I would think that out right cutting Matt Cassel a week before the season started would show how much confidence the team had in Taylor, and in EJ as the backup QB. Let me ask a question here. How much did the Buffalo Bills value Matt Cassel to outright cut him a week before the season starts? As much as the Colts value Josh Johnson? and if the Colts could've gotten a draft pick for Johnson don't you think they would have? EDIT: If you watched NFL insiders on ESPN Bill Polian talks about the circumstances regarding Cassel, and the fact that many in the Bills FO thought Cassel would win the starting job. Then they discovered that in fact he played himself out of the job. Which is why they initially cut him. The current QB in Dallas is Brandon Weeden who has lost his last nine starts at QB. How about we cry over the loss of the bum when he actually wins a game for the Cowboys. Edited October 15, 2015 by Nihilarian
LIBILLS25 Posted October 15, 2015 Posted October 15, 2015 (edited) It's really too bad the bills traded cassell, at least we could've had a QB who was number one...even if it's 2 years removed from this distinguished honor... http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24621988/ron-jaworski-ranks-matt-cassel-as-nfls-worst-starting-qb Edited October 15, 2015 by LIBILLS25
maddenboy Posted October 15, 2015 Posted October 15, 2015 I assumed you meant Bucky Brooks. Someone whose football opinion is usually worth actually considering. (and you can prob tell I no longer live in B'lo, since I have never heard of bucky gleason before 3 mins ago, after clicking the link, which was after reading about 9 posts in the thread where I began to think "waaaaaaaait a minute, maybe this is about a B'lo hack")
Big Gun Posted October 15, 2015 Posted October 15, 2015 Perhaps you didn't watch the pre season games but a lot of Bills fans think EJ did enough to win the starting job, as did Tyrod Taylor. I would think that out right cutting Matt Cassel a week before the season started would show how much confidence the team had in Taylor, and in EJ as the backup QB. Let me ask a question here. How much did the Buffalo Bills value Matt Cassel to outright cut him a week before the season starts? As much as the Colts value Josh Johnson? and if the Colts could've gotten a draft pick for Johnson don't you think they would have? EDIT: If you watched NFL insiders on ESPN Bill Polian talks about the circumstances regarding Cassel, and the fact that many in the Bills FO thought Cassel would win the starting job. Then they discovered that in fact he played himself out of the job. Which is why they initially cut him. The current QB in Dallas is Brandon Weeden who has lost his last nine starts at QB. How about we cry over the loss of the bum when he actually wins a game for the Cowboys. yeah that's it OMG
MDH Posted October 15, 2015 Posted October 15, 2015 Amazing how quickly people forget how terrible EeeeeJay was last year, yet remember how bad Cassel was years ago. Then proclaim EJ as great maybe even better than TT and also forget EJ was in street clothes just a couple of weeks ago, and it was not because of injury. Whatever! EJ was as good or better than Cassel the past few years. EJ is young and hasn't reached his ceiling. Cassel is not going to suddenly get better 10 years into his career. It's not hard to figure out why many would rather have EJ.
Maury Ballstein Posted October 15, 2015 Posted October 15, 2015 EJ was as good or better than Cassel the past few years. EJ is young and hasn't reached his ceiling. Cassel is not going to suddenly get better 10 years into his career. It's not hard to figure out why many would rather have EJ. Yea but only the people with eyeballs know this.
dave mcbride Posted October 15, 2015 Posted October 15, 2015 (edited) EJ was as good or better than Cassel the past few years. EJ is young and hasn't reached his ceiling. Cassel is not going to suddenly get better 10 years into his career. It's not hard to figure out why many would rather have EJ.I sorta get your general point, but cassel was actually better than Manuel in just about every statistical category in 2013, and their yardage numbers were remarkably similar -- 1800+ for Cassel vs. 1900+ for Manuel. So what you're saying isn't really accurate. Neither played much in 2014, and neither was very good. Cassel's stats were hurt by a very bad game against NE. EJ didn't have to play againat Belichick last season (NE's pass defense was #1 in the league according to footballoutsiders). Edited October 15, 2015 by dave mcbride
chris heff Posted October 15, 2015 Posted October 15, 2015 I sorta get your general point, but cassel was actually better than Manuel in just about every statistical category in 2013, and their yardage numbers were remarkably similar -- 1800+ for Cassel vs. 1900+ for Manuel. So what you're saying isn't really accurate. Neither played much in 2014, and neither was very good. Cassel's stats were hurt by a very bad game against NE. EJ didn't have to play againat Belichick last season (NE's pass defense was #1 in the league according to footballoutsiders). You make MDH's point. All things being equal one guy is at the beginning of his career the other the end. Why is it even a question who you keep?
birdog1960 Posted October 15, 2015 Posted October 15, 2015 You make MDH's point. All things being equal one guy is at the beginning of his career the other the end. Why is it even a question who you keep? it's not! the author is suggesting it would have been smart to keep both. sure seems reasonable to me.
Lurker Posted October 15, 2015 Posted October 15, 2015 Thanks for putting the Buckster's name in the thread title. It's a great Public Service Announcement...
dave mcbride Posted October 15, 2015 Posted October 15, 2015 You make MDH's point. All things being equal one guy is at the beginning of his career the other the end. Why is it even a question who you keep? Not my point at all.
GG Posted October 15, 2015 Posted October 15, 2015 You make MDH's point. All things being equal one guy is at the beginning of his career the other the end. Why is it even a question who you keep? To bring it back to Bucky's main argument - it's not a choice between EJ & Cassel. It's a choice between Cassel & Josh Johnson.
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