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Unforced errors.. bad throws/ How did the O Line do?/ What mistakes are on the O-Line.. what ones are not?

I watched the NFL rewind all 22 and here is my unofficial count of how the O-Line did /
How Tyrod did on every pass play ( I may have missed a snap or two here.. there also may be a few extra pass attempts that were cancelled due to penalites..but this should be 95% accurate)

DISCLAIMER ( I am not a coach, I don't know the hot reads or route combinations called.. this is just my educated perception of what happened on each pass play)

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TOTAL PASS PLAYS – 38 snaps – ( last week was 49 snaps… 38 is still too many )

LINE BREAKDOWNS – 10/ 38 snaps or 26% ( worse than last week which was 8/49 snaps .. or 16% )

SUFFICIENT PROTECTION – 28/38 snaps or 74%

UNFORCED TYROD ERRORS: - 4/38 snaps or 11% ( worse than last week 3/49 snaps - 6%) or in other words Taylor had time to throw but missed his target or made wrong decision on 11% of these opportunities

Bottom Line:
LEFT SIDE O LINE OK/ RIGHT SIDE NOT SO GOOD– Overall, the line play was worse than last week vs. Giants….specifically the right side of the line. Tyrod made a few bad throws that were on him .. but there were too many O Line breakdowns against the Titans.

HENDERSON WAS AWFUL- I’ve been doing this series for 2 years now.. and the performance by Seantrel Henderson against the Titans was the worst OT performance I have seen. Out of the 10 total line breakdowns.. he solely accounted for 6 of them. He was beaten 4 times, gave up a sack and had 2 bad penalties. He was not physically pushed back.. but was beaten both to the inside and outside on moves from the defender. None of these were stunts to my eye.. he was just straight up beaten one on one several times. If he is not injured.. then Kouandjiou should start Week 6 against Bengals. He played bad enough to get benched IMO.

TYROD OFF A LITTLE - The failed first series was on Tyrod as his first 2 throws were off target for no good reason. He is starting to show a trend of misfiring on passes in the flat which is a little disturbing. That being said…he had bad luck on a couple of throws (legit holding call on Henderson in q4 wiped out a first down throw, Woods slipped on a well thrown hitch route and missed the ball, Harvin obviously ran the wrong route Q1) and his bomb to Hogan was absolutely beautiful.

 

MILLER’S RETURN – Other than giving up one sack in Q4.. Miller looked solid in pass protect most of the day.


PLAYS OF NOTE

Q1-10:40 - UNFORCED ERROR – Tyrod throws screen pass at Clay’s feet
Q1-9:59 - UNFORCED ERROR – Tyrod misses Harvin on a slant
Q1 7:04 – Harvin runs wrong route
Q2-5:17- SACK – Henderson beat to the outside
Q2- 2:00 – Henderson beat to the inside, Tyrod has to move out of pocket
Q2-1:24- UNFORCED ERROR – Taylor misses Harvin on deep sideline.. poor choice.. had Clay open over middle..never moved on from first read
Q2-1:18- Henderson beat to the inside
Q2-1:00- Robert Woods slips on well thrown hitch.. misses ball
Q3-13:16 – SACK – Mulligan beat to the outside
Q3-12:30 – Holding on Glenn ( legit call)
Q3-11:34 – Henderson beat to the outside, gives up hit on Taylor
Q4- UNFORCED ERROR – Taylor overthrows wide open Harvin on out route
Q4-8:54 – Holding on Henderson ( legit call) wipes out throw for 1st down to Woods
Q4- 8:35 – False Start on Henderson
Q4-7:38 – Plenty of time, beautiful bomb to Hogan
Q4:2:00 – SACK - Miller beaten on rollout play..



SUMMARY – Henderson’s performance in pass protect really sabotaged what was an overall decent showing by the rest of the line as far as pass protect goes ( I can’t comment on the run blocking .. but I suspect it was poor). The Titans did a lot of delayed blitzing… and effectively blitzed guys from the secondary several times.. however.. I didn’t see too many stunts.. the pass rushes seemed pretty straight up for the most part. Taylor’s unforced off target throws hurt in the first half.. but like the Patriots and Giants games he rallied in the second half and played much better to close out the game. I really hope they give Kouandjio a shot at RT this week against the Bengals… He looked good in his short spot duty filling in for Glenn against the Giants and he has to be better than Henderson at this point.



O Line Pass block grades

GLENN – B-
INCOGNITO – B
WOOD – B
MILLER – C
HENDERSON – F-

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With the exception of that false start on Kujo last week, he seemed alright filling in for Cordy. Wouldn't mind seeing him get in there at RT, but that might be a bye week adjustment.

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With the exception of that false start on Kujo last week, he seemed alright filling in for Cordy. Wouldn't mind seeing him get in there at RT, but that might be a bye week adjustment.

 

Ideally the bye week would be best.. but with EJ likely in there instead of Tyrod I don't think you can afford to have another week like that out of your RT. Henderson has set the bar so low .. I'm quite certain Kouandjio can at least be better than Henderson..even if he isn't 100% up to speed right now.

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How do you know if someone is running the correct route and it was the QB's fault or vice versa? I don't think you would know this unless you knew the specific plays.

For the most part I don't know the calls/ routes( see disclaimer in beginning of post) .. None of us fans/analysts do.. All I can do is watch the All 22 and see who is open and who isn't and then make an educated guess as to what Tyrod should have done. At least it's a more detailed opinion than making statements about how a qb/ o line did just watching the broadcast live.However on occasion it's blatantly obvious that a player runs a wrong route. For example.. In the Harvin play he and another receiver end up in the same spot and Taylor throws to the blank out route space where Harvin was clearly supposed to go to

Thanks! I agreed on Henderson pass pro.

 

Btw, mulligan needs to go.

Yeah..if he is not solid in blocking then he is pretty much useless Edited by Bocephuz
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Ideally the bye week would be best.. but with EJ likely in there instead of Tyrod I don't think you can afford to have another week like that out of your RT. Henderson has set the bar so low .. I'm quite certain Kouandjio can at least be better than Henderson..even if he isn't 100% up to speed right now.

Thank you sincerely, again. I so look forward to your efforts!

 

should Hendy be sat down by now?

I know CK struggled while in for Glenn but that was probably jitters.

Where he hell is Kromer when we need him. He need to threaten Seantrel's lawn chairs and follow through. this kid is killing our game.

Thank you.. Glad you found it interesting

: ) of course we do B !

Yes Glenn is just bad right......and John Miller is a turnstile

 

Come on man

Umm....

if anything i would want to support these two guys.

EJ should take them for big ole steaks Wednesday along with the rest of them.

 

Miller is going to be a stud. keep him healthy. Glenn needs some Kromer time. lol

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I can't understand how Henderson hasn't lost the trust of his coaches by now. A guy like that, who just loses focus or loses interest and lets his entire team down in the process, very likely will never change. He's a DOG. At least Kujo seems to give a crap.

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To 3rd and 12 and Coach Tuesday's points .. Maybe one of the reasons Henderson hasn't been benched is that Kromer's fill-in OL coach may not feel confident enough in his temporary role to lobby for a high profile change like that. Hopefully either Roman steps in and makes the change this week to Kujo.. Or at the very least Kromer makes that call as soon as he gets back

Regarding CK stepping in for Glenn.. I recall his only real error was the dumb false start which was probably jitters.. But he held up very well in pass protection for the few snaps he was in there

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Unforced errors.. bad throws/ How did the O Line do?/ What mistakes are on the O-Line.. what ones are not?

 

I watched the NFL rewind all 22 and here is my unofficial count of how the O-Line did /

How Tyrod did on every pass play ( I may have missed a snap or two here.. there also may be a few extra pass attempts that were cancelled due to penalites..but this should be 95% accurate)

 

DISCLAIMER ( I am not a coach, I don't know the hot reads or route combinations called.. this is just my educated perception of what happened on each pass play)

 

_______ ______________________

 

TOTAL PASS PLAYS – 38 snaps – ( last week was 49 snaps… 38 is still too many )

 

LINE BREAKDOWNS – 10/ 38 snaps or 26% ( worse than last week which was 8/49 snaps .. or 16% )

 

SUFFICIENT PROTECTION – 28/38 snaps or 74%

 

UNFORCED TYROD ERRORS: - 4/38 snaps or 11% ( worse than last week 3/49 snaps - 6%) or in other words Taylor had time to throw but missed his target or made wrong decision on 11% of these opportunities

 

Bottom Line:

LEFT SIDE O LINE OK/ RIGHT SIDE NOT SO GOOD– Overall, the line play was worse than last week vs. Giants….specifically the right side of the line. Tyrod made a few bad throws that were on him .. but there were too many O Line breakdowns against the Titans.

 

HENDERSON WAS AWFUL- I’ve been doing this series for 2 years now.. and the performance by Seantrel Henderson against the Titans was the worst OT performance I have seen. Out of the 10 total line breakdowns.. he solely accounted for 6 of them. He was beaten 4 times, gave up a sack and had 2 bad penalties. He was not physically pushed back.. but was beaten both to the inside and outside on moves from the defender. None of these were stunts to my eye.. he was just straight up beaten one on one several times. If he is not injured.. then Kouandjiou should start Week 6 against Bengals. He played bad enough to get benched IMO.

 

TYROD OFF A LITTLE - The failed first series was on Tyrod as his first 2 throws were off target for no good reason. He is starting to show a trend of misfiring on passes in the flat which is a little disturbing. That being said…he had bad luck on a couple of throws (legit holding call on Henderson in q4 wiped out a first down throw, Woods slipped on a well thrown hitch route and missed the ball, Harvin obviously ran the wrong route Q1) and his bomb to Hogan was absolutely beautiful.

 

MILLER’S RETURN – Other than giving up one sack in Q4.. Miller looked solid in pass protect most of the day.

 

 

PLAYS OF NOTE

 

Q1-10:40 - UNFORCED ERROR – Tyrod throws screen pass at Clay’s feet

Q1-9:59 - UNFORCED ERROR – Tyrod misses Harvin on a slant

Q1 7:04 – Harvin runs wrong route

Q2-5:17- SACK – Henderson beat to the outside

Q2- 2:00 – Henderson beat to the inside, Tyrod has to move out of pocket

Q2-1:24- UNFORCED ERROR – Taylor misses Harvin on deep sideline.. poor choice.. had Clay open over middle..never moved on from first read

Q2-1:18- Henderson beat to the inside

Q2-1:00- Robert Woods slips on well thrown hitch.. misses ball

Q3-13:16 – SACK – Mulligan beat to the outside

Q3-12:30 – Holding on Glenn ( legit call)

Q3-11:34 – Henderson beat to the outside, gives up hit on Taylor

Q4- UNFORCED ERROR – Taylor overthrows wide open Harvin on out route

Q4-8:54 – Holding on Henderson ( legit call) wipes out throw for 1st down to Woods

Q4- 8:35 – False Start on Henderson

Q4-7:38 – Plenty of time, beautiful bomb to Hogan

Q4:2:00 – SACK - Miller beaten on rollout play..

 

 

 

SUMMARY – Henderson’s performance in pass protect really sabotaged what was an overall decent showing by the rest of the line as far as pass protect goes ( I can’t comment on the run blocking .. but I suspect it was poor). The Titans did a lot of delayed blitzing… and effectively blitzed guys from the secondary several times.. however.. I didn’t see too many stunts.. the pass rushes seemed pretty straight up for the most part. Taylor’s unforced off target throws hurt in the first half.. but like the Patriots and Giants games he rallied in the second half and played much better to close out the game. I really hope they give Kouandjio a shot at RT this week against the Bengals… He looked good in his short spot duty filling in for Glenn against the Giants and he has to be better than Henderson at this point.

 

 

 

O Line Pass block grades

 

GLENN – B-

INCOGNITO – B

WOOD – B

MILLER – C

HENDERSON – F-

 

Hey, Bocephuz. Thanks for doing this. I certainly agree Henderson was awful, and Taylor had sufficient protection and made some errors in judgement much of the time.

 

I have what is probably a dumb question. How do you get 38 pass attempts out of this past game?

 

Going through the play-by-play shows 20 pass plays (the stats show 17 because 3 were no-play due to penalty). Taylor was sacked 4 times on what were presumably pass attempts. He is credited with 8 runs, if those were all also pass attempts (although at least 1 is arguably a designed run) that would be 32?

 

IMO the 2nd pass (to Harvin) was off because Harvin was legally jammed on the line then bumped and couldn't reach his spot. You can see it if you run the condensed game slow.

At 2 min, yes Henderson is beat but I think Goodwin runs a route Taylor is not expecting, Goodwin kind of turns inside and hesitates and Taylor has time to throw at that point, but then Goodwin takes off downfield and Taylor has to roll left. It looked like Hogan was the designated outlet with a crossing route near the LOS but with the rt side of the line collapsed no way Taylor could see or hit him.

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Thank you sincerely, again. I so look forward to your efforts!

 

should Hendy be sat down by now?

I know CK struggled while in for Glenn but that was probably jitters.

Where he hell is Kromer when we need him. He need to threaten Seantrel's lawn chairs and follow through. this kid is killing our game.

CK didn't struggle with actual blocking. He had the two mental errors. He kept his man off Taylor and did okay in the run game too. It's getting time to try something at RT. Henderson might need the motivation of a benching.

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CK didn't struggle with actual blocking. He had the two mental errors. He kept his man off Taylor and did okay in the run game too. It's getting time to try something at RT. Henderson might need the motivation of a benching.

Henderson needs something thats for sure.

This is why i thought they would put Cogs next to him. Keep some one in his ear.

I really think Miller will turn out fine. But putting the rook and the Seantrel on the same side was just asking for trouble

 

 

IMO

To 3rd and 12 and Coach Tuesday's points .. Maybe one of the reasons Henderson hasn't been benched is that Kromer's fill-in OL coach may not feel confident enough in his temporary role to lobby for a high profile change like that. Hopefully either Roman steps in and makes the change this week to Kujo.. Or at the very least Kromer makes that call as soon as he gets back

Regarding CK stepping in for Glenn.. I recall his only real error was the dumb false start which was probably jitters.. But he held up very well in pass protection for the few snaps he was in there

I can forgive the false start.

Hope CK is getting some extra reps during this weeks practice!

Interesting take on the Assistant O line Coach. It's gotta be a concern when they watch tape. I mean what is the kids answer when coach says , what were you thinking there Seantrel? Hmmm ???

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Hey, Bocephuz. Thanks for doing this. I certainly agree Henderson was awful, and Taylor had sufficient protection and made some errors in judgement much of the time.

 

I have what is probably a dumb question. How do you get 38 pass attempts out of this past game?

 

Going through the play-by-play shows 20 pass plays (the stats show 17 because 3 were no-play due to penalty). Taylor was sacked 4 times on what were presumably pass attempts. He is credited with 8 runs, if those were all also pass attempts (although at least 1 is arguably a designed run) that would be 32?

 

IMO the 2nd pass (to Harvin) was off because Harvin was legally jammed on the line then bumped and couldn't reach his spot. You can see it if you run the condensed game slow.

At 2 min, yes Henderson is beat but I think Goodwin runs a route Taylor is not expecting, Goodwin kind of turns inside and hesitates and Taylor has time to throw at that point, but then Goodwin takes off downfield and Taylor has to roll left. It looked like Hogan was the designated outlet with a crossing route near the LOS but with the rt side of the line collapsed no way Taylor could see or hit him.

Good observations.. I sometimes focus too much on the oline and miss other subtleties so thank you for the additional insight on those plays.

 

I got 38 passing downs or snaps.. Which means the Bills appeared to drop back to pass 38 times. This counts all snaps where there were penalties, scrambles, sacks etc. .. Not sure why my 38 and your 32 are so far off...

Henderson needs something thats for sure.

This is why i thought they would put Cogs next to him. Keep some one in his ear.

I really think Miller will turn out fine. But putting the rook and the Seantrel on the same side was just asking for trouble

 

 

IMO

 

I can forgive the false start.

Hope CK is getting some extra reps during this weeks practice!

Interesting take on the Assistant O line Coach. It's gotta be a concern when they watch tape. I mean what is the kids answer when coach says , what were you thinking there Seantrel? Hmmm ???

I got a feeling if Henderson answered that question honestly he'd say he was thinking about what club to hit up after the game or the nice big bong hit he had waiting at home for him

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Good observations.. I sometimes focus too much on the oline and miss other subtleties so thank you for the additional insight on those plays.

 

I got 38 passing downs or snaps.. Which means the Bills appeared to drop back to pass 38 times. This counts all snaps where there were penalties, scrambles, sacks etc. .. Not sure why my 38 and your 32 are so far off...

 

I got a feeling if Henderson answered that question honestly he'd say he was thinking about what club to hit up after the game or the nice big bong hit he had waiting at home for him

 

One of those things I guess (on the number). I'm just looking at the box score and adding, I didn't make an attempt to tabulate each play. Maybe more scrambles or sacks "no play" for penalty?

 

About the O-line coach thing, if they can't trust the assistant OL who is filling in for Kromer to make a call when Henderson is that bad, IMO they made an error not firing Kromer and bringing in someone they felt they could trust. That's almost half the season.

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TOTAL PASS PLAYS – 38 snaps – ( last week was 49 snaps… 38 is still too many )

 

LINE BREAKDOWNS – 10/ 38 snaps or 26% ( worse than last week which was 8/49 snaps .. or 16% )

 

SUFFICIENT PROTECTION – 28/38 snaps or 74%

 

UNFORCED TYROD ERRORS: - 4/38 snaps or 11% ( worse than last week 3/49 snaps - 6%) or in other words Taylor had time to throw but missed his target or made wrong decision on 11% of these opportunities

 

 

TYROD OFF A LITTLE - The failed first series was on Tyrod as his first 2 throws were off target for no good reason. He is starting to show a trend of misfiring on passes in the flat which is a little disturbing. That being said…he had bad luck on a couple of throws (legit holding call on Henderson in q4 wiped out a first down throw, Woods slipped on a well thrown hitch route and missed the ball, Harvin obviously ran the wrong route Q1) and his bomb to Hogan was absolutely beautiful.

 

PLAYS OF NOTE

 

Q1-10:40 - UNFORCED ERROR – Tyrod throws screen pass at Clay’s feet

Q1-9:59 - UNFORCED ERROR – Tyrod misses Harvin on a slant

Q1 7:04 – Harvin runs wrong route

Q2-5:17- SACK – Henderson beat to the outside

Q2- 2:00 – Henderson beat to the inside, Tyrod has to move out of pocket

Q2-1:24- UNFORCED ERROR – Taylor misses Harvin on deep sideline.. poor choice.. had Clay open over middle..never moved on from first read

Q2-1:18- Henderson beat to the inside

Q2-1:00- Robert Woods slips on well thrown hitch.. misses ball

Q3-13:16 – SACK – Mulligan beat to the outside

Q3-12:30 – Holding on Glenn ( legit call)

Q3-11:34 – Henderson beat to the outside, gives up hit on Taylor

Q4- UNFORCED ERROR – Taylor overthrows wide open Harvin on out route

Q4-8:54 – Holding on Henderson ( legit call) wipes out throw for 1st down to Woods

Q4- 8:35 – False Start on Henderson

Q4-7:38 – Plenty of time, beautiful bomb to Hogan

Q4:2:00 – SACK - Miller beaten on rollout play..

 

 

I just hope the board keeps some composure when EJ's stats are up for discussion next week. I can hear it now, "He Sux because:", "he overthrew...", "he threw the ball at the receiver's feet", "he held on to the ball and was sacked", "he didn't see his second or third option who was wide open".

 

Plays like that happen to every QB. Why I even saw Jim Kelly miss a few targets and get sacked some. Some.

 

Go Bills.

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