bisonbrigade Posted October 13, 2015 Posted October 13, 2015 Mike and the Bulldog on WGR are screaming the roof is falling, they really do not like EJ, no matter if he throws 500 yards and 7 TD's Sunday. I mean really... Tyrod, if he misses anything will miss the Cinny game, Jacksonville, a buy week and maybe the Dolphins game. Lets be real EJ can beat Jacksonville, and the buy week and has beaten the Dolphins before. If he goes 2-1 the Bills would still be 5-3 with Tyrod coming back for the Thursday game against the Jets.
FireChan Posted October 13, 2015 Posted October 13, 2015 Me. It isn't. He grabbed his jersey. You have to grab inside the collar for it to be a horse collar, IIRC. Yep. He doesn't have his hand around the collar, but just below it.
26CornerBlitz Posted October 13, 2015 Posted October 13, 2015 Mike and the Bulldog on WGR are screaming the roof is falling, they really do not like EJ, no matter if he throws 500 yards and 7 TD's Sunday. I mean really... Tyrod, if he misses anything will miss the Cinny game, Jacksonville, a buy week and maybe the Dolphins game. Lets be real EJ can beat Jacksonville, and the buy week and has beaten the Dolphins before. If he goes 2-1 the Bills would still be 5-3 with Tyrod coming back for the Thursday game against the Jets. Dope and the Lap Dog? In all sincerity....Who cares?
MDH Posted October 13, 2015 Posted October 13, 2015 They could use this play as the textbook example. I don't know the actual rule but Tasker claimed the rule stated that the hand had to be inside the back of the jersey. If that is indeed the rule then no, that's not a horse collar. He has him by the nameplate but his hand isn't inside the jersey. If that's not the rule then Tasker should know the rules before making such claims.
dave mcbride Posted October 13, 2015 Posted October 13, 2015 (edited) Who was it that argued that it wasn't a true horse collar tackle? I don't think it is, but it should be banned nonetheless and I didn't have problem with the call. The defender did not get his hands inside either his jersey or his pads; rather, he yanks the upper part of the jersey. Technically, it's therefore not a horse collar. Functionally, however, it is one. I don't know the actual rule but Tasker claimed the rule stated that the hand had to be inside the back of the jersey. If that is indeed the rule then no, that's not a horse collar. He has him by the nameplate but his hand isn't inside the jersey. If that's not the rule then Tasker should know the rules before making such claims. Tasker is right, I'm pretty sure. Edited October 13, 2015 by dave mcbride
GG Posted October 13, 2015 Posted October 13, 2015 Me. It isn't. He grabbed his jersey. You have to grab inside the collar for it to be a horse collar, IIRC. Not quite: No player shall grab the inside collar of the back or the side of the shoulder pads or jersey pads or jersey, and pull the runner toward the ground
26CornerBlitz Posted October 13, 2015 Posted October 13, 2015 I don't know the actual rule but Tasker claimed the rule stated that the hand had to be inside the back of the jersey. If that is indeed the rule then no, that's not a horse collar. He has him by the nameplate but his hand isn't inside the jersey. If that's not the rule then Tasker should know the rules before making such claims. It doesn't have to be to be. Tasker is often confused by rules and what actually occurs on the field.
plenzmd1 Posted October 13, 2015 Posted October 13, 2015 Come on, Vic Carucci deserves more respect than that. Figured he was talking bout me!
Beerball Posted October 13, 2015 Posted October 13, 2015 OK, just spent the past hour + cleaning up this thread. Multiple warnings, multiple PMs and multiple suspensions later and it is at least somewhat normal. Some of you have decided to turn this forum (and thread) into your personal urinal. If you haven't gotten a PM or warning or suspension from me today then let this be your fair warning. Knock it off and behave yourself like an adult. Any questions feel free to send me a PM.
dave mcbride Posted October 13, 2015 Posted October 13, 2015 Not quite: No player shall grab the inside collar of the back or the side of the shoulder pads or jersey pads or jersey, and pull the runner toward the ground Which he didn't do. "Grab the inside collar" rules the rest of the qualifications that occur in the rest of the sentence.
Dorkington Posted October 13, 2015 Posted October 13, 2015 Mike and the Bulldog on WGR are screaming the roof is falling, they really do not like EJ, no matter if he throws 500 yards and 7 TD's Sunday. I mean really... Tyrod, if he misses anything will miss the Cinny game, Jacksonville, a buy week and maybe the Dolphins game. Lets be real EJ can beat Jacksonville, and the buy week and has beaten the Dolphins before. If he goes 2-1 the Bills would still be 5-3 with Tyrod coming back for the Thursday game against the Jets. And you know what, it'll give us an idea of what we have with EJ under a new system. I don't really see this being a huge deal. Chances are we lose to Cincy with Tyrod, so might as well rest him. And like you said, we should still be able to beat Miami and Jax with EJ.
Deranged Rhino Posted October 13, 2015 Posted October 13, 2015 Tasker is right, I'm pretty sure. He was incorrect. Which he didn't do. "Grab the inside collar" rules the rest of the qualifications that occur in the rest of the sentence. That is not correct.
MDH Posted October 13, 2015 Posted October 13, 2015 Not quite: No player shall grab the inside collar of the back or the side of the shoulder pads or jersey pads or jersey, and pull the runner toward the ground Well there you go, Tasker didn't know what he was talking about. Which also means his rant about the "inconsistencies of the officiating" was off base too because the Miami player was pulled down from behind from the middle of his jersey (at the numbers), not near the shoulder pad.
dave mcbride Posted October 13, 2015 Posted October 13, 2015 He was incorrect. No, he wasn't. See GG's post above about the actual rule. Technically, it wasn't a horse collar. Functionally, it was one. There is a strong logical argument for it not being called, but I think they made the right call given that the defender rolled up his legs from behind. It was more an "unnecessary roughness" than a horse collar. It leads to the same result in my book: a 15-yard penalty.
The Wiz Posted October 13, 2015 Posted October 13, 2015 And you know what, it'll give us an idea of what we have with EJ under a new system. I don't really see this being a huge deal. Chances are we lose to Cincy with Tyrod, so might as well rest him. And like you said, we should still be able to beat Miami and Jax with EJ. Pretty much my thoughts as well. The offense has been pretty bad other than taylor running so if the guy can't run, no point in playing him.
dave mcbride Posted October 13, 2015 Posted October 13, 2015 Well there you go, Tasker didn't know what he was talking about. Which also means his rant about the "inconsistencies of the officiating" was off base too because the Miami player was pulled down from behind from the middle of his jersey (at the numbers), not near the shoulder pad. People really need to read what this rule actually says. "Grab the inside collar" governs all of the subsidiary nouns that follow.
NoSaint Posted October 13, 2015 Posted October 13, 2015 It worked IMO something Roman wanted to get on film for the Bengals to worry about. it didnt work, and you dont put your injured qb in that situation just to get something on film.
Deranged Rhino Posted October 13, 2015 Posted October 13, 2015 People really need to read what this rule actually says. "Grab the inside collar" governs all of the subsidiary nouns that follow. Again, that is not a correct interpretation of the rule. But we both agree it was worthy of the 15 yards, so it's moot.
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