PromoTheRobot Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 (edited) One more week to go in his team-imposed 6-game suspension. The O-line play had gotten steadily worse. Our tackles and tight end Mulligan are getting beat like drums. They can't open any run holes either, forcing the Bills to throw more or expose TT on runs. My question is how bad is our line and is it mainly due to Kromer's absence? Edited October 12, 2015 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 One would certainly hope. The first five games have been trying for everyone. I hope we get to 4-2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 One more week to go in his team-imposed 6-game suspension. The O-line play had gotten steadily worse. Our tackles and tight end Mulligan are getting beat like drums. They can't open any run holes either, forcing the Bills to throw more or expose TT on runs. My question is how bad is our line and is it mainly due to Kromer's absence?Disagree on run block. I saw good lanes open, we just don't have any healthy backs on the roster to take advantage of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 It sure can't hurt. I think we all forget that yet again new systems being installed on both sides of the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 It sure can't hurt. I think we all forget that yet again new systems being installed on both sides of the ball. I haven't forgotten. The two worst games they played were against teams that have been under the same coaching management for over a decade. Continuity does matter, which is why I think most people calling for Rex/Roman/Whaley's heads to roll are idiots(™ DC TOM). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 is it mainly due to Kromer's absence? is his absence effecting it? sure. i also think hes a very smart offensive mind and would be helping scheme our run game. is the trouble MAINLY due to his absence? no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 If Kromer's return doesn't help the OL, then why would we pay him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 I don't know how much having Kromer back will help. At this point in the season, the offense and offensive line scheme has been installed. The players on the OL know whats expected of them in the scheme, it's up to the to execute it. If it's an issue of blocking fundamentals then it's way way too late to do anything and with the CBA there just isn't time on the practice field to spend doing fundamentals. They need to install the game plan, practice specific scenarios, etc. I suppose maybe he can help identify problems during game day and help identify breakdowns but Anderson could do the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 If Kromer's return doesn't help the OL, then why would we pay him? Well, that's a fair question! They could pay ME to not help..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 but Anderson could do the same thing. one would hope that hes atleast a little more skilled. it also gives an extra set of eyes to review whats going on. you notice two guys having issues and anderson and kromer can each talk to one, for instance. that and hes contributed a lot in the past to gameplanning and such. smart guy, that did a real dumb thing to get in this situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finn Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 He's paid big (huge) bucks for a reason. His teaching may not pay immediate dividends in that it often takes time for learning to sink in, but there's a reason teams hire coaches with his credentials as position coaches and not, say, whoever his assistants are who are making do in his absence. It's a good point to bring up, though. One could argue his return is more important to the long-term (still this season) success of the team than even Sammy and Shady. (In fact, you got to wonder about Shady's production, but that's a topic for another thread.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 one would hope that hes atleast a little more skilled. it also gives an extra set of eyes to review whats going on. you notice two guys having issues and anderson and kromer can each talk to one, for instance. that and hes contributed a lot in the past to gameplanning and such. smart guy, that did a real dumb thing to get in this situation. I have no doubt Kromer could and would definitely help with the game plan. I just meant if it's a talent/fundamentals problem, the Bills are past the point in the season of fixing it. That's what training camp is for, where they can do various drills to help improve those things. Sure Kromer can spot break downs in fundamentals and point those out to the OL having the problem but I doubt there's time on the practice field to "drill" it into the player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Probably can't hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 I have no doubt Kromer could and would definitely help with the game plan. I just meant if it's a talent/fundamentals problem, the Bills are past the point in the season of fixing it. That's what training camp is for, where they can do various drills to help improve those things. Sure Kromer can spot break downs in fundamentals and point those out to the OL having the problem but I doubt there's time on the practice field to "drill" it into the player. Perhaps that'll be a focus of bye week walk-throughs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Opposing defenses playing closer to the LOS and not respecting the speed of the Bills RBs to get to the edge has a lot to do with the ineffective line play, IMO. It's up to Roman and TT to 'back the D off' and not allow the safeties to cheat up in run support. Having Goodwin back may be more important than Kromer in that regard... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Perhaps that'll be a focus of bye week walk-throughs? Could be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Has he taken care of business yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bocephuz Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Not sure how much Kromer's return can help in pass protect as I think the problem is more certain guys losing their one on one battles rather than a scheme thing. The OL has gotten better picking up stunts the last few weeks but guys like Henderson, Miller and Urbik have generally been beaten one on one too many times. Not sure if a good coach can shore up an O Lineman's technique that much mid season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 I think the OL has been ok. On passing plays, Tyrod has quite a bit of time before he throws, I think he's one of the slowest in the league to release. On run plays, when Karlos or Shady have been healthy, they've been getting some productive yards. Tyrod has had success on designed runs as well. Boobie sucks. Boom did ok. So yeah, I think the OL is 'ok', not really sure if Kromer returning does anything, as I'm sure the current staff is talking with him during the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Has he taken care of business yet? Well yea, i heard he put his beach chairs in his house for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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