26CornerBlitz Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 @SalSports Graham said he was prob the most emotional 1 out there after the call & said Aaron Williams had to calm him down (and laughed at the irony) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 @SalSports Graham said he was prob the most emotional 1 out there after the call & said Aaron Williams had to calm him down (and laughed at the irony) Leadership on display by Aaron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 It's so stupid. In 1/100's of a second Graham has think if he catches it, the play is legal. He drops it, so its illegal. Dumb rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 It's so stupid. In 1/100's of a second Graham has think if he catches it, the play is legal. He drops it, so its illegal. Dumb rule. It's illegal even if he holds it, if it was a high hit. Without seeing it again I'm holding off saying whether it was high. Tough play for the player, tough call for the ref. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 At this point the refs are just looking for reasons to flag the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 It's illegal even if he holds it, if it was a high hit. Without seeing it again I'm holding off saying whether it was high. Tough play for the player, tough call for the ref. The ref thought he led with the helmet. The replay showed it was his shoulder. Another "I thought I saw" guess by the officials... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 What I liked is regardless of how bad the calls were here and there the bills kept their focus...... I thought they took a step today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Also, I don't think either QB "horsecollar" was an actual horse collar tackle. So the Corey hit, and the Tyrod horse collar effectively offset. But, the call against us was a bigger deal due to context. No, they don't offset because they picked up the flag against the Bills... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Bradham didn't get the QB's legs with his body like they did to Taylor. Not saying that makes a difference if it is all about where the hand is on the collar but it certainly makes the injury risk different. No you are right, rolling up on the legs IS the deal. This rule came about because a slow footed but ultra-violent SS named Roy Williams of the Cowboys started making a habit of grabbing receivers that were pulling away from him by the back of the collar then jumping on and tearing up legs. Brown grabbed Taylor inches below the collar but he used the leverage to swing around and pile on his legs. Bradham grabbed much lower and didn't use the leverage to swing onto his legs. I was glad to see Casey and then Brown himself go down with injuries shortly thereafter because the Brown play was a frustrated defender trying to injure our QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BmarvB Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Sniff sniff. I still smell the stink from that call Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Could have swung the game. Horrible call. What is a DB supposed to do in that situation? This is why players get fined for yelling at refs. Terrible call. Time for younger, better trained refs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 the broadcast said they were the same but I think the defender actually got TT under the collar and Bradham did not per a tweet from someone at the game He didn't. The replay should that the grab was under the collar. It's illegal even if he holds it, if it was a high hit. Without seeing it again I'm holding off saying whether it was high. Tough play for the player, tough call for the ref. Actually, that was an easy call. That wasn't even close to being a penalty. No you are right, rolling up on the legs IS the deal. This rule came about because a slow footed but ultra-violent SS named Roy Williams of the Cowboys started making a habit of grabbing receivers that were pulling away from him by the back of the collar then jumping on and tearing up legs. Brown grabbed Taylor inches below the collar but he used the leverage to swing around and pile on his legs. Bradham grabbed much lower and didn't use the leverage to swing onto his legs. I was glad to see Casey and then Brown himself go down with injuries shortly thereafter because the Brown play was a frustrated defender trying to injure our QB. Good point about the legs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Time for younger, better trained refs The two worst called games (Pats, NYG) were crews headed by rookie refs. I'm onboard with teams' getting 1-2 replay challenges per game for these kind of situations. The NFL could just sell more commercial time as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 It's illegal even if he holds it, if it was a high hit. Without seeing it again I'm holding off saying whether it was high. Tough play for the player, tough call for the ref. clean hit...not a tough call for the refs...led with his shoulder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 clean hit...not a tough call for the refs...led with his shoulder Fair enough. I was just saying I didn't see it clearly enough to judge but addressing the posters assertion that H2H isn't a penalty if the receiver holds on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Bradham didn't get the QB's legs with his body like they did to Taylor. Not saying that makes a difference if it is all about where the hand is on the collar but it certainly makes the injury risk different. This. It's more about the injury risk than where exactly someone is grabbed. It will be interesting to see whether the league fines the player, but I'm betting they will and won't fine Bradham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Throwing Tennessee a bone, I can only assume. Maybe in real time they thought Graham hit him in the head? I'm sure that's what it was -and calls like that HAVE to challengable! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 And the call on Graham was brutal. It's like you can't even hit a player until they make the catch, which is dumb. And letting up opens the player to injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 I'm sure that's what it was -and calls like that HAVE to challengable! Agreed. It's the equivalent of a fumble, catch/no catch, "did he have two feet down?" situation, IMO. The competition committee has to look at this in the off season... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 And the call on Graham was brutal. It's like you can't even hit a player until they make the catch, which is dumb. And letting up opens the player to injury. We have physical corners and safeties and rarely see this issue. Let's not act like it's been a total epidemic and impossible to play functionally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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