Mr. WEO Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 this is a great idea, or as someone else suggested, leather/foam type helmets. Rugby has a much lower concussion rate. Helmets also cause a good deal of knee injuries. the look of the new helmets is also pretty sweet. Would these work w/ the Kelso type top? It's an idea that makes no sense. Many concussions occur from even glancing blows of a knee to the head. Having no helmet would make every slight head contact result in a concussion. We have also seen many times where a tackler leads with his shoulder and gets the guy high in the facemask. Pileups, gang tackles--all of these currently involve at least one guy getting his head banged to some degree. Taking off the helmet is a bad idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPR4444 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 on a related note, Dartmouth has introduced robotic tackling dummies for training, to reduce the volume of player-player collisions during practice. http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/08/dartmouth-football-introduces-robotic-tackling-dummies-in-practice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 this is a great idea, or as someone else suggested, leather/foam type helmets. Rugby has a much lower concussion rate. Helmets also cause a good deal of knee injuries. I'd love to see where you got that information from. Rugby players have a horrible concussion protocol, it is no where near as good as the NFL at identifying players with concussions. New Zealand is the only country in the world to keep track of Rugby injuries. Places like England, France and Australia don't even keep track if a player has had multiple concussions. Hell I've seen a Ruby player get knocked out and go back in a game, this happened a couple months ago. Rugby teaches proper form tackling but that doesn't stop random elbows or knees or other body parts colliding with the person making the tackles head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 on a related note, Dartmouth has introduced robotic tackling dummies for training, to reduce the volume of player-player collisions during practice. http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/08/dartmouth-football-introduces-robotic-tackling-dummies-in-practice Get rid of the players altogether. The NRFL. 'R' for robotic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 NFL markets it's entire brand for decades on concussion collisions. Now they want to try and make the game safer with a new helmet? As many have pointed out, the helmet is what makes it unsafe. You don't see Rugby players propelling themselves into each other at the speed of cars.The brain will hit the inside of your skull no matter what happens at the type of impact we see in the NFL. The comparison from football to Rugby and the idea that removing the helmet and most pads would remove a lot of the violent colisions from the game is not a good line of thinking. First off Football is a very territorial game Rugby is not. Rugby players are not diving for inches to make a first down, there isn't as much a need to sell out ones body when you only have several downs to cover the whole field. Football every inch matters when players need to desperately reach a marker they will sell out their bodies. Also there are many colisions with the ground and in pile ups and elsewhere where players in football are having their heads hit in an unintended manner. So if you got rid of the helmet and most pads you would end up making football a slower much less interesting version of rugby that wouldn't be very reflective of the game it is today. There isn't a solution to remove concussions from the game. But padding on the outside of helmets could do some help in reducing the amount and pouring money into treatments for post career head trauma would also help a lot of players with their post career lives (As well as funding their treatments better). If we are going to enjoy men destroying their bodies for the sake of a game then we should at least make sure there is the money coming in to help take care of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 (edited) The comparison from football to Rugby and the idea that removing the helmet and most pads would remove a lot of the violent colisions from the game is not a good line of thinking. First off Football is a very territorial game Rugby is not. Rugby players are not diving for inches to make a first down, there isn't as much a need to sell out ones body when you only have several downs to cover the whole field. Football every inch matters when players need to desperately reach a marker they will sell out their bodies. Also there are many colisions with the ground and in pile ups and elsewhere where players in football are having their heads hit in an unintended manner. So if you got rid of the helmet and most pads you would end up making football a slower much less interesting version of rugby that wouldn't be very reflective of the game it is today. There isn't a solution to remove concussions from the game. But padding on the outside of helmets could do some help in reducing the amount and pouring money into treatments for post career head trauma would also help a lot of players with their post career lives (As well as funding their treatments better). If we are going to enjoy men destroying their bodies for the sake of a game then we should at least make sure there is the money coming in to help take care of them. It's not really for the sake of a game. Not anymore. The players definitely love the game, but they're putting their bodies on the line for money. Edited October 8, 2015 by LeGOATski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Making the helmets heavier with more padding and protection just means less concussions and more spinal injuries. Much like exploring improvements to modern combat helmets, you must address linear force impacts to the head AND neck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Making the helmets heavier with more padding and protection just means less concussions and more spinal injuries. Much like exploring improvements to modern combat helmets, you must address linear force impacts to the head AND neck. Right, but most companies are working to make the helmets lighter without compromising their protection, not heavier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 (edited) A local (Seattle) startup is introducing an innovative new helmet. According to an article, "There is so much proprietary technology in the helmet, Vicis [the new company] uses a dazzle camouflage to wrap and hide all the unique features so competitors don't catch on." The CEO of the Vicis says the helmet “is designed differently. It's designed with multiple layers. It's designed to protect from both traumatic head injuries and skull fractures. And it functions differently. It has a novel outer shell material. It feels different. It sounds different." http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/football-helmet-offer-new-levels-safety/nnyQc/ Edited October 9, 2015 by hondo in seattle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 A local (Seattle) startup is introducing an innovative new helmet. According to an article, "There is so much proprietary technology in the helmet, Vicis [the new company] uses a dazzle camouflage to wrap and hide all the unique features so competitors don't catch on." The CEO of the Vicis says the helmet “is designed differently. It's designed with multiple layers. It's designed to protect from both traumatic head injuries and skull fractures. And it functions differently. It has a novel outer shell material. It feels different. It sounds different." http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/football-helmet-offer-new-levels-safety/nnyQc/ Concussions are neither of these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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