YoloinOhio Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 (edited) Interesting article. I think the complex scheme that Rex is implementing will continue to be honed. Crowd noise issue is not something I thought would be really impactful - doesn't affect Seattle in their noisy stadium but then again they have had mostly the same players and scheme for awhile, it isn't complicated and they probably run like a well oiled machine. http://bills.buffalonews.com/2015/10/06/new-issues-crop-up-for-bills-defense/ Somewhat surprisingly, going on the road in Week Five, when the Bills play the Tennessee Titans, could be a benefit. Edited October 7, 2015 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 As you said, seattle's scheme is supposed to be really simple. Other than a few changes on the front, I don't think they do much else except bear you up. I wonder if this explains why our best defensive game of the year was on the road? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 As you said, seattle's scheme is supposed to be really simple. Other than a few changes on the front, I don't think they do much else except bear you up. I wonder if this explains why our best defensive game of the year was on the road? They (Seattle) do very little in the back 7, which is where Buffalo seems to be having most of their communication issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 7, 2015 Author Share Posted October 7, 2015 (edited) Rex's scheme is going to take a minute to run smoothly and consistently but IMO he has the horses to pull it off especially if they get AW back and with the acceleration of Darby. I think it will be nasty very soon. Edited October 7, 2015 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 The defense under Schwartz was so simple and it worked very well...sometimes you just need to let your players lineup and play instead of trying to be perfect with every call Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 7, 2015 Author Share Posted October 7, 2015 The defense under Schwartz was so simple and it worked very well...sometimes you just need to let your players lineup and play instead of trying to be perfect with every callit worked well sometimes but not always. And there were too few adjustments made when it wasn't working. Jmo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 The defense under Schwartz was so simple and it worked very well...sometimes you just need to let your players lineup and play instead of trying to be perfect with every call I agree, Schwartz's scheme seemed so dominate ending up #1 in giving up passing TD's, and #3 in passing yards allowed. Then the #1 team in sacks too. This years defense is currently near last in passing yards allowed, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 I agree, Schwartz's scheme seemed so dominate ending up #1 in giving up passing TD's, and #3 in passing yards allowed. Then the #1 team in sacks too. This years defense is currently near last in passing yards allowed, are you gonna spew this nonsense in EVERY thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 I agree, Schwartz's scheme seemed so DOMINANT ending up #1 in giving up passing TD's, and #3 in passing yards allowed. Then the #1 team in sacks too. This years defense is currently near last in passing yards allowed, Fixed that, because English is hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 IMO.we'll get there and end up being more effective than Schwartz D. Just takes some time.to adjust, also (as often it seems) our players are a bit mismatched with the scheme; 4-3 personnel playing a lot of 3-4/hybrid. Probably won't be until next year when we see the full impact of Rex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 (edited) Rex's scheme is going to take a minute to run smoothly and consistently but IMO he has the horses to pull it off especially if they get AW back and with the acceleration of Darby. I think it will be nasty very soon. I hope you're right. I think the problem is that any complex scheme involving situational substitutions and role adjustments is subject to being "gamed" by a vet QB with good pre-snap read and audible skills. Year after year when a team with good personnel and a mediocre D gets a coaching change, we hear players say "coach really simplified the schemes so now we just go after it". Knowing your job and just doing it >>> having to think about your job and how to do it IMO.we'll get there and end up being more effective than Schwartz D. Just takes some time.to adjust, also (as often it seems) our players are a bit mismatched with the scheme; 4-3 personnel playing a lot of 3-4/hybrid. Probably won't be until next year when we see the full impact of Rex. Then that's a year too late IMO. If the players are mismatched to the scheme, a smart coach CHANGES THE SCHEME TO SUIT WHAT HE HAS excuse me for shouting, not intended for you. That's especially true when he's gifted with truly elite to good players. are you gonna spew this nonsense in EVERY thread? I think the point is, last year's D was an elite NFL D almost any way you sliced it. We were 4th in the league on points and yards given up. The stats he's cherry picked are true - doesn't that kind of protect them from being "nonsense"? This year, with very close to the same personnel (and some additions who look very good in place of some of the injured), we are 14th on points and 22nd on yards, 13th on rushing Y/A against. That is officially mediocre. For passing D, we are 29th in 1st downs against, 29th in passing yards against, 30th in passing TD against, 32nd in passing attempts against. That is officially BAD. When we have gone from an elite D to a BAD D with most of the same personnel and 25% of the season gone by, is it nonsense to point this out? Edited October 7, 2015 by Hopeful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 7, 2015 Author Share Posted October 7, 2015 @MatthewWGR: The Bills' defense is 6th in the NFL in Net Yards per Pass Attempt and they've faced Luck, Brady, Manning, Tannehill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 I hope you're right. I think the problem is that any complex scheme involving situational substitutions and role adjustments is subject to being "gamed" by a vet QB with good pre-snap read and audible skills. Year after year when a team with good personnel and a mediocre D gets a coaching change, we hear players say "coach really simplified the schemes so now we just go after it". Knowing your job and just doing it >>> having to think about your job and how to do it Then that's a year too late IMO. If the players are mismatched to the scheme, a smart coach CHANGES THE SCHEME TO SUIT WHAT HE HAS excuse me for shouting, not intended for you. That's especially true when he's gifted with truly elite to good players. I think the point is, last year's D was an elite NFL D almost any way you sliced it. We were 4th in the league on points and yards given up. The stats he's cherry picked are true - doesn't that kind of protect them from being "nonsense"? This year, with very close to the same personnel (and some additions who look very good in place of some of the injured), we are 14th on points and 22nd on yards, 13th on rushing Y/A against. That is officially mediocre. For passing D, we are 29th in 1st downs against, 29th in passing yards against, 30th in passing TD against, 32nd in passing attempts against. That is officially BAD. When we have gone from an elite D to a BAD D with most of the same personnel and 25% of the season gone by, is it nonsense to point this out? Thanks Hopeful Said it much better then my attempt. Hope this doesn't put you in league with Lucifer, or make you a pariah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 (edited) For passing D, we are 29th in 1st downs against, 29th in passing yards against, 30th in passing TD against, 32nd in passing attempts against. That is officially BAD. When we have gone from an elite D to a BAD D with most of the same personnel and 25% of the season gone by, is it nonsense to point this out? Hopeful, I think you are looking at the wrong stats, especially only 4 games in. What did the Bills defense rank last year after 4 weeks? Yes, the Bills have faced the most pass attempts, I don't see how that makes them bad. The Bills defense is ranked 4th in YPA against and 5th in completion percentage against. The teams ahead of them have faced on average 40+ more attempts! They also rank 6th in QB rating against and that's after facing Luck, Brady and Manning. The Bills defense also has the 9th lowest 3rd down conversion rate. Look at teams in the top 10 for Total Defense(otherwise known as total yards). Chicago, is ranked 7th, yet they are giving up and average of 31.3 points per game. Tampa Bay is ranked 9th and they are giving up 29.3 points per game. Do you honestly believe those teams, with how much points they are giving up, are a better defense? How about we let teams like Denver and NY, who are at the top, play the New Englands of the world before we compare total anything. Edited October 7, 2015 by Wayne Cubed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 @MatthewWGR: The Bills' defense is 6th in the NFL in Net Yards per Pass Attempt and they've faced Luck, Brady, Manning, Tannehill that is pretty good for a team "struggling" against the pass. friggen mediots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 7, 2015 Author Share Posted October 7, 2015 Hopeful, I think you are looking at the wrong stats, especially only 4 games in. What did the Bills defense rank last year after 4 weeks? Yes, the Bills have faced the most pass attempts, I don't see how that makes them bad. The Bills defense is ranked 4th in YPA against and 5th in completion percentage against. The teams ahead of them have faced on average 40+ more attempts! They also rank 6th in QB rating against and that's after facing Luck, Brady and Manning. The Bills defense also has the 9th lowest 3rd down conversion rate. Look at teams in the top 10 for Total Defense(otherwise known as total yards). Chicago, is ranked 7th, yet they are giving up and average of 31.3 points per game. Tampa Bay is ranked 9th and they are giving up 29.3 points per game. Do you honestly believe those teams, with how much points they are giving up, are a better defense? How about we let teams like Denver and NY, who are at the top, play the New Englands of the world before we compare total anything. agreed. Stats should only be used to as a guide to help you understand what your are seeing on the field and the all-22. Stats on their own are generally very misleading to draw meaningful conclusions, especially when trying to compare incongruent sample sizes and all the variables like different players and opponents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackInDaDay Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Rex has been working on his defensive communication problems since preseason. The drop off from Searcy to Williams, Rambo, etc is far greater than that from Byrd to Searcy - and we've been exposed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 7, 2015 Author Share Posted October 7, 2015 (edited) Rex has been working on his defensive communication problems since preseason. The drop off from Searcy to Williams, Rambo, etc is far greater than that from Byrd to Searcy - and we've been exposed.agree - the safety injuries have been a big issue. We haven't had both starters in there for a whole game yet, and the drop off from starter to backup is evident. Fortunately we are looking to have both AW and Graham together again this week. Edited October 7, 2015 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 The defense under Schwartz was so simple and it worked very well...sometimes you just need to let your players lineup and play instead of trying to be perfect with every call A simple defensive scheme is the best. All you need to do is fit it up. Sincerely, David Wannstedt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 7, 2015 Author Share Posted October 7, 2015 A simple defensive scheme is the best. All you need to do is fit it up. Sincerely, David Wannstedt co-signed, Kevin Coyle in Miami Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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