Kelly the Dog Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 While I appreciate the spirit of this post, I can't agree with the idea that Roman is 75% of TT's success. It always comes down to a player's ability to assimilate knowledge and execute. Taking nothing away from Roman, but the world is littered with bright football minds that never had the QB to transfer his game from the classroom to the practice field to the game. Roman has done well at putting players in a position to succeed, but it's those players that have realized the success on the field of play. GO BILLS!!! Yep. But it's a great example of you need talent and coaching and other good players. Look at who has succeeded. Brady, Manning, Rodgers, all have had great talent, great coaching, and great players around them even if they made players look good at times.
K-9 Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 Yup. That's why this seems and may be different. There are a ton of little things that make me believe TT may be the guy and it's only half because of his play so far. Listening to Bills players talk about him is different. He's totally in control. They think he has command of the huddle and the offense. He's the first to arrive and last to leave. Rex gave the team the choice of what to wear between sweats and casual attire and he wore a suit, saying if I'm the leader of this team I want to set an example. The poise he has shone waiting for the right moment to throw is something that is tough to be taught. I don't want to go overboard but I have long professed that there are 20+ elements to being a good QB in this league and he has a ton of them. Great to see, isn't it? And what he has is infectious. Themimportance of leadership at the position cannot be overstated. We really hit the jackpot in that regard, although he got high marks in that department coming out of VT, so I shouldn't be surprised. That staff and group of players of players in Baltimore really taught him how to be a pro. I have great respect for that team. GO BILLS!!!
No Cease Fires Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 (edited) I love the TD to Clay last week. Taylor drops back and WAITS for the play to develop. He has all day to throw but how many times have we seen a Bills QB then skip the ball at his receiver's feet, or force the guy to lay out to catch it, or come back to the ball. Nope, he waits, exudes calm - seriously watch the play again, TT is taking a stroll in the park - and then slings it to Clay, hitting him in full stride. It's like he looks like he's fallen asleep out there (from the chest up anyway) and then rifles the ball perfectly to his guy. It's the kind of simple play I see Russell Wilson make all the time and our guys, all too rarely. Edited October 2, 2015 by No Cease Fires
jumbalaya Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 usually rookie QBs fail, because of coaching and / or playing on bad teams not because they sat awhile or played too early. JPP, TE, EJ are prime examples that played early but did not have good coaches or teams. starting rookie QBs that have poor rookie seasons but develop in time have good coaching or developing along with a good team. Aikman, Payton, etc. We just haven't had a good coach or team in a long long time.
K-9 Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 I love the TD to Clay last week. Taylor drops back and WAITS for the play to develop. He has all day to throw but how many times have we seen a Bills QB then skip the ball at his receiver's feet, or force the guy to lay out to catch it, or come back to the ball. Nope, he waits, exudes calm - seriously watch the play again, TT is taking a stroll in the park - and then slings it to Clay, hitting him in full stride. It's like he looks like he's fallen asleep out there (from the chest up anyway) and then rifles the ball perfectly to his guy. It's the kind of simple play I see Russell Wilson make all the time and our guys, all too rarely. That was an interesting play from the dropback dynamic. TT dropped back 13 yards on that pass and hit Clay in stride only a yard past the LOS. He was taking deeper drops all day which was a great tweak by Roman. It bought more time, obviously, but also allowed Taylor better downfield of vision. Smart. GO BILLS!!!
Dragonborn10 Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 This used to be the way it was done as many QBs are not ready for the NFL. There was a string of a few special talents entering the league and doing very well so now the 1st round QB starts right away and you roll the dice hoping he gets it.Not really. Marino, Elway, Testaverde, Favre, Aikman, Couch, Akio Smith, McNabb. These guys good or bad all started early. Doesn't make it wrong or right. I bet even Marrone wanted to sit EJ behind Kolb for a year. Why the hell they didn't just keep Fitz and sit EJ still is crazy to me.
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 I didn't read all 5 pages, (I can assume there may be one or two who disagree) so, should I assume now that 95% are in agreement with developing a QB. Luck has been an INT machine.. I still say sitting him would have helped him to lean to avoid some of them.
YoloinOhio Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 (edited) I didn't read all 5 pages, (I can assume there may be one or two who disagree) so, should I assume now that 95% are in agreement with developing a QB. Luck has been an INT machine.. I still say sitting him would have helped him to lean to avoid some of them. polian wanted to draft him and keep Peyton, letting him sit for a few years. Irsay said no way.just heard this the other day in a interview with the author of the new book Brady vs. Manning. Edited October 2, 2015 by YoloinOhio
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 (edited) polian wanted to draft him and keep Peyton, letting him sit for a few years. Irsay said no way. just heard this the other day in a interview with the author of the new book Brady vs. Manning. interesting. Polian out Irsay in control, same old in Indy. Quality QB and no supporting cast took a look to verify my recollection 5 TD's 7 INT's for Mr Luck. Edited October 2, 2015 by BillsFan-4-Ever
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 Leap year: Tyrod Taylor proving patience is a virtue sorry if already posted in this thread.
26CornerBlitz Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 Leap year: Tyrod Taylor proving patience is a virtue sorry if already posted in this thread. It is and I deleted the other thread.
PromoTheRobot Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 One of the benefits of being out to a big lead early is Roman closing the playbook in the second half. The reason the Bills have looked so conservative with a big lead is because they stopped running plays that show too much to future opponents.
aristocrat Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 So the contract talk is up now and I'm wondering do we have the option to franchise tag him? Or can we do a nice bridge contract for say...2 years 20 mil?
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 So the contract talk is up now and I'm wondering do we have the option to franchise tag him? Or can we do a nice bridge contract for say...2 years 20 mil? Contract talk? We're 3 games into 2015 and his contract is through 5 days after the 2016 Super Bowl. Assuming he keeps up his performance and isn't injured I'd imagine the team will work on an extension to his existing deal in the offseason, but no sooner.
PlayoffsPlease Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 I think people over think this issue. Teams start the QB they think has the best chance to win during the current season. There really is no way to show that any great QBs had their development hindered by starting early in their career. There certainly are ton's of success stories from Dan Marino through Marcus Mariotta of guys that seemed to be ready from day 1. The majority of NFL teams has a QB they are "developing" over extended lengths of time. They are well aware that this is a strategy. But the fruits of that strategy are usually guys's like Ryan Mallet, Matt Flynn, Luke McCown, Case Keenum, TJ Yates, or Chase Daniel (or 50 other names you could add going back over the last 5 to 10 years) have been the league "developing" for years and years without ever breaking out into a major starting role. The Patriots are currently "developing" JImmy Garrapolo (like Mallet and Hoyer before him). Tyrod, so far, is the exception to the rule that the vast majority of QBs that are not starting by year 3, are really just not good enough to be starters. None of know where Tyrod would be today, if he had started for the Raven's the last four years. There is no way to say that sitting was a "positive benefit". We just know he is pretty solid today, so sitting didn't hurt him. All we know for sure is that the Raven's coaches thought Joe Flacco gave them a better chance to win. (Flacco is an example of a guy that led his team to the playoffs his rookie year)
26CornerBlitz Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 (edited) So the contract talk is up now and I'm wondering do we have the option to franchise tag him? Or can we do a nice bridge contract for say...2 years 20 mil? Look at Kaepernick w/o Greg Roman and you'll see a major regression. I wouldn't be in any hurry to start talking extension after three games as a starting QB. Let things play out into next season to see where you truly are at QB. Patience is a virtue......See the Ryan Fitzpatrick contract extension for reference. Edited October 2, 2015 by 26CornerBlitz
Canadian Bills Fan Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 So the contract talk is up now and I'm wondering do we have the option to franchise tag him? Or can we do a nice bridge contract for say...2 years 20 mil? Lets wait. I dont want another Fitzpatrick contract type deal CBF
Dark Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 Interesting topic. I tend to agree with those who say that it is ideal to allow a young QB to ease his way in, but they have to be talented to succeed. Sitting a young QB isn't some magic bullet to make the Aaron Rogers-level good. I think the better question is: can a truly talented QB be "ruined" by starting too quickly in the NFL? That used to be the thinking even in the late 1990s - Steve McNair and Dante Culpepper were both highly drafted players who sat their entire rookie years, for instance. Is it that being rushed lowers the ceiling while sitting for a couple years maximizes a young QBs ceiling? How much does confidence matter if a young QB has the skills? Will skills win out in the long run?
PlayoffsPlease Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 (edited) Lets wait. I dont want another Fitzpatrick contract type deal CBF two years at $20 million isn't really fitzpatrick money. On the other hand, Rex has already told us we have the QB of the present and the QB of the future on the roster, so there might not be any reason to keep Tyrod. Edited October 2, 2015 by PlayoffsPlease
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 Lest we forget: Troy aikman started as a rookie and won one game. In today's nfl he'd have been cut.
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