Nanker Posted September 29, 2015 Posted September 29, 2015 technically, you're wrong...it is possible, but i'm assuming that wasn't the case yesterday obviously a crazy hypothetical scenario, but say a guy goes 5/9, and all 5 completions are screen passes that go 70 yards each for touchdowns, and he throws another 4 horrible balls that are dropped by the defenders...would you say he had a great game? again, an absurd example of course, but the reasoning PFF gives for their grading system makes sense from seeing some highlights, it was his timing and accuracy that was incredible last night, not necessarily the degree of difficulty of the throws and him dropping them into tight windows, which i believe is what PFF measures So it's like style points and the degree of difficulty that's important to them. They should take up judging Olympic diving and gymnastics then. You know - sports that don't have actual scores but just opinions of the judges that determine the winners. The NFL already has a group that fulfills that role. They're called the game officials. They have to wear stripes because they should be in jail. IMO
jimmy10 Posted September 29, 2015 Posted September 29, 2015 Green Bay would be lucky if somebody threw them a fifth round pick for A. A. Ron. Can we still get Skelton for Mario, then flip Skelton straight up for Rodgers? Or is that giving up too much?
thebandit27 Posted September 29, 2015 Posted September 29, 2015 Green Bay would be lucky if somebody threw them a fifth round pick for A. A. Ron. Can we still get Skelton for Mario, then flip Skelton straight up for Rodgers? Or is that giving up too much? We're better off offering them Duke Williams.
26CornerBlitz Posted September 29, 2015 Posted September 29, 2015 @AlbertBreer A wise man (@RonBorges) once told me that statistics are like hostages. You can make them say whatever you want.
Wayne Cubed Posted September 29, 2015 Posted September 29, 2015 from seeing some highlights, it was his timing and accuracy that was incredible last night, not necessarily the degree of difficulty of the throws and him dropping them into tight windows, which i believe is what PFF measures Degree of difficulty? How the hell would they know? Isn't being able to find "easy throws" a good thing? I believe that's called, reading defenses.
johnwalter Posted September 29, 2015 Posted September 29, 2015 i agree with that backup. aaron rodgers is as good as michael jordan.
Andrew Son Posted September 29, 2015 Posted September 29, 2015 I'd love to hear the analytics lovers over at WGR discussing this today
QB Bills Posted September 29, 2015 Posted September 29, 2015 Degree of difficulty? How the hell would they know? Isn't being able to find "easy throws" a good thing? I believe that's called, reading defenses. That's kind of the point. They don't assume to grade pre-snap adjustments as that is just about impossible to quantify. And for a good QB, the better he is at that part of the game, the easier the throw should be after the snap. Which is exactly what they state in clear print above.
KOKBILLS Posted September 29, 2015 Posted September 29, 2015 Don't be fooled by his 5 TD, no int, 300 + yard night against a good defense... It was apparently a miserable performance. PFF has graded him a -.8 for that game. The facts have spoken.
johnwalter Posted September 29, 2015 Posted September 29, 2015 I'd love to hear the analytics lovers over at WGR discussing this today you are conflating two disassociated entities. this doesn't mean there is an problem with football analytics as a field (and thereby, "the analytics lovers over at WGR") - it just mean's there's an issue with PFF's analytics.
billsfan89 Posted September 29, 2015 Posted September 29, 2015 Didn't PFF give suh a very high score against the bills? The guy seemed invisible to me He busted up a few plays but yeah he wasn't hugely disruptive. Suh should have had a grade fairly neutral or small positive grade.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 29, 2015 Posted September 29, 2015 To cut to the chase, they should just say "Our grading system sucks!" This
Wayne Cubed Posted September 29, 2015 Posted September 29, 2015 (edited) That's kind of the point. They don't assume to grade pre-snap adjustments as that is just about impossible to quantify. And for a good QB, the better he is at that part of the game, the easier the throw should be after the snap. Which is exactly what they state in clear print above. Right, so a good QB in their model gets zero points for making good reads that allow him to make "easy throws" because he's just expected to do that? And again, they say they don't measure intangibles like pre-snap reads but are assigning a degree difficulty to a throw none of these "analysts" have ever made. It's a bunch of "yea that looked like a simple, easy throw", so that's zero points. Yet a bad QB making that same throw receives a positive grade? What sense does that make? Surely the fact that not every QB can make the "easy throws" should result in a positive for all QBs but I guess that would make it too easy. Edited September 29, 2015 by Wayne Cubed
Best Player Available Posted September 29, 2015 Posted September 29, 2015 Gotta love the amateurish effort to grade a great QB performance by an Anal-ytics head. Maybe Rodak's stepfather does the analytics?
jr1 Posted September 29, 2015 Posted September 29, 2015 PFF are teenagers that only listen to "underground" music
Andrew Son Posted September 29, 2015 Posted September 29, 2015 you are conflating two disassociated entities. this doesn't mean there is an problem with football analytics as a field (and thereby, "the analytics lovers over at WGR") - it just mean's there's an issue with PFF's analytics. There isn't a problem with football analytics as a field. There is a problem with some people, WGR included IMO, that think they are the be all end all. Like they said in their response, there are things (many in my opinion) that are nearly impossible to quantify. Analytics are a piece of the puzzle, not the whole thing
BillsFan130 Posted September 29, 2015 Posted September 29, 2015 He busted up a few plays but yeah he wasn't hugely disruptive. Suh should have had a grade fairly neutral or small positive grade. Ya I agree, I think I remember him making a couple plays but definitely didn't have a great impact on the game
hondo in seattle Posted September 29, 2015 Posted September 29, 2015 (edited) PFF makes some valid points in defense of their grade. But still... By their own admission, Rodgers made two beautiful throws for TDs. But somehow, two bad plays (one of which, never officially happened) offset those two good TD passes. Their weighting system seems broken. And while they rated many of Rodgers' completions as easy, there's something to be said for a QB who can read coverages, correctly identify mismatches, and get the ball to playmakers while making it look easy. Hasn't Brady's recent career been about just this? Rodgers did his job very well. If PFF thinks his performance warrants a negative score, PFF needs to rework its scoring system. I don't think GB's coaching staff is going to tell Aaron he had a subpar day. Edited September 29, 2015 by hondo in seattle
Kelly the Dog Posted September 29, 2015 Posted September 29, 2015 Didn't they give TT a grade of 0.3 this week or something when he made no big mistakes and a ton of strong plays as well as results as well as stats?
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 29, 2015 Posted September 29, 2015 (edited) Don't be fooled by his 5 TD, no int, 300 + yard night against a good defense... It was apparently a miserable performance. PFF has graded him a -.8 for that game. The facts have spoken. Yes, I spelled his name wrong. Its could only have been a -.8 on the Aaron Rodgers scale. In other words slightly below average FOR HIM. Peyton came in at a -25 and Colin kaep was -2,446,544 in this point system. Edited September 29, 2015 by over 20 years of fanhood
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