Maury Ballstein Posted September 28, 2015 Posted September 28, 2015 When it stops happening it will stop being the truth. Almost all of the big plays he gives up are plays where he let's up and lost focus because he thinks the ball isn't coming his way or will be uncatchable. The tape doesn't lie. Otherwise he played a good game but that's back-to-back weeks where his man matchup got into the end zone. That little bit of competitive finish he lacks is what separates him from the elite CB's. Darby may not have the length to match up with the biggest of pass targets but his competitiveness is refreshing after watching Gilmore punch out early a few too many times. This is garbage time complaint.
BobChalmers Posted September 28, 2015 Posted September 28, 2015 Boobie Brown, huh? Name mangling aside - the number of times Roman went to Boobie Dixon on critical 3rd downs was maddening, and he failed every time. I love me some Boobie as much as the next guy (no seriously, I was a big fan of Dixon's play last season) but he is a major downgrade from Williams - hopefully the coaches see that when they look at this tape and rethink how they use him.
BADOLBILZ Posted September 28, 2015 Posted September 28, 2015 Didn't he fall down? Hey, I fell down.......doesn't count! He over-ran the play and lost track of the football. Against a #3 WR. Like I said......the tape on Gilmore doesn't lie. He predetermines in his mind when plays are over or when his man isn't the target and doesn't play to the whistle and subsequently has embarrassing moments like that. Like I said, he played an otherwise good game. This is just his achilles heel and it doesn't always happen just when the team has a big lead. He just isn't as competitive as the best need to be. Darby has that trait and when you finish plays good things.....like gift interceptions....happen.
Dan Posted September 28, 2015 Posted September 28, 2015 Absolutely. I almost never trust any lead when the Bills are playing. This game was different.Btw, it was a classy move to throw in EJ at the end. After all, he went to college down in Florida and probably had some people at the game. And speaking of EJ, he was helping out on the sidelines and not sulking. He's a good kid. I agree. Smart and Classy putting EJ in. It's a divisional game, no sense appearing to run the score up on the fins. EJ is a good kid and team mate, it goes a long way to helping him stay involved and a part of the team. And it's never a bad idea to get some good tape on EJ if they ever wanted to shop him in the future. Karlos botched that, however, with his 41yd TD run.
RevWarRifleman Posted September 28, 2015 Posted September 28, 2015 Good post Bill. With #7: Glad to see Gilmore get praise from more people on the board. I think he's really coming into his own. Starting last year I saw him improve throughout the year. My one knock on him is staying healthy. In previous years he's had to sit out to nurse injuries. #9: I'm pleasantly surprised with Darby! I figured there'd be a learning curve period this year as he learned his position at the NFL level. Wrong. He looks real good for being this early in the season. Go Bills vs the Giants.
JohnC Posted September 28, 2015 Posted September 28, 2015 Hey, I fell down.......doesn't count! He over-ran the play and lost track of the football. Against a #3 WR. Like I said......the tape on Gilmore doesn't lie. He predetermines in his mind when plays are over or when his man isn't the target and doesn't play to the whistle and subsequently has embarrassing moments like that. Like I said, he played an otherwise good game. This is just his achilles heel and it doesn't always happen just when the team has a big lead. He just isn't as competitive as the best need to be. Darby has that trait and when you finish plays good things.....like gift interceptions....happen. I think you are beng unfairly picayune by singling out this play. It was an extended play at the end of the game. He stayed with the receiver for a long time over a lot of space. The coverage was actually very good. Because of his momentum he fell down. I don't see how one can conclude that he mishandled the play? CBs are going to get beat and receivers are capable of making good plays. It's not a one way street. It is not unreasonable to say that the CB position is the most challenging position to play on defense. I don't know how you can conclude that he doesn't play at a high enough level? Does he get beat? Of course. What DB doesn't ? In my opinion Gilmore is our best DB who usually draws the toughest assignment. His coverage is usually very sound. His major weakness is that he doesn't have good hands and react to the ball as well as the best CBs in the league do. I would rate him in the top third at his position, borderning near the all-pro level but not there yet.
MDH Posted September 28, 2015 Posted September 28, 2015 When it stops happening it will stop being the truth. Almost all of the big plays he gives up are plays where he let's up and lost focus because he thinks the ball isn't coming his way or will be uncatchable. The tape doesn't lie. Otherwise he played a good game but that's back-to-back weeks where his man matchup got into the end zone. That little bit of competitive finish he lacks is what separates him from the elite CB's. Darby may not have the length to match up with the biggest of pass targets but his competitiveness is refreshing after watching Gilmore punch out early a few too many times. Yeah, but that's not what happened on that play. He played hard till the end but tripped over the WR when the ball was under thrown. I'm not sure how that equates to giving up on the play. I agree it wasn't a good play and I smacked my forehead with my palm at how badly he finished the play, but it wasn't because he stopped playing hard. He just f'd up.
CodeMonkey Posted September 28, 2015 Posted September 28, 2015 (edited) 8) Karlos Williams is exactly the type of running back this team needed. I mean seriously, who would you rather have, Fred and Spiller or Shady and Karlos? Case closed. Would you rather have Shady, Karlos and Boobie or Shady, Karlos and Fred. Case really closed. But damn if that wasn't a complete game start to finish in every way! Edited September 28, 2015 by CodeMonkey
Maury Ballstein Posted September 28, 2015 Posted September 28, 2015 Would you rather have Shady, Karlos and Boobie or Shady, Karlos and Fred. Case really closed. Smart teams save money. Fred was not missed on the field at all.
birdog1960 Posted September 28, 2015 Posted September 28, 2015 Smart teams save money. Fred was not missed on the field at all. perhaps but we don't know what Jackson would have taken in terms of salary. reports were that he was willing to take a cut. besides, he was answering a hypothetical put forth by the op. I agree with his answer.
Formerly Allan in MD Posted September 28, 2015 Posted September 28, 2015 they learned from last week and moved taylor and the pocket around a lot. And on straight drops, they were deep drops so he had better vision over the line They also played to Miami's defensive weaknesses. Now they have to figure out how to do that consistently, i.e. against teams like the Patriots. Taylor is ideal for "moving pocket" gamesmanship. He certainly sold me yesterday.
thebandit27 Posted September 28, 2015 Posted September 28, 2015 Hey, I fell down.......doesn't count! He over-ran the play and lost track of the football. Against a #3 WR. Like I said......the tape on Gilmore doesn't lie. He predetermines in his mind when plays are over or when his man isn't the target and doesn't play to the whistle and subsequently has embarrassing moments like that. Like I said, he played an otherwise good game. This is just his achilles heel and it doesn't always happen just when the team has a big lead. He just isn't as competitive as the best need to be. Darby has that trait and when you finish plays good things.....like gift interceptions....happen. You and I have had this discussion before...I agree that he doesn't always finish plays. I don't think it's as pronounced as you believe it is (or perhaps as I interpret that you believe it is), as his last 8-10 games have seen him make significantly more plays on the ball than he has before. AS a side-note, since you mentioned it: the Gronk TD was Duke's assignment. Gilmore had the outside half of the bracket and Duke had the inside. Duke--as per usual--completely missed his assignment. Talk about a guy that's unfocused. Anyway, as you and I have discussed, if and when Gilmore becomes the biggest weakness on the defense, we will have an all-time great unit on our hands.
GG Posted September 28, 2015 Posted September 28, 2015 Yeah, but that's not what happened on that play. He played hard till the end but tripped over the WR when the ball was under thrown. I'm not sure how that equates to giving up on the play. I agree it wasn't a good play and I smacked my forehead with my palm at how badly he finished the play, but it wasn't because he stopped playing hard. He just f'd up. The reason he fell down is because he lost the coverage and was sprinting back to the WR. It's clear that he didn't know where the ball was, and that's why he tripped in trying to set up at the last second. I think BADOL saying that Gilmore gave up on the play when he and the WR were on the 10 yard line.
Coach Tuesday Posted September 28, 2015 Posted September 28, 2015 The reason he fell down is because he lost the coverage and was sprinting back to the WR. It's clear that he didn't know where the ball was, and that's why he tripped in trying to set up at the last second. I think BADOL saying that Gilmore gave up on the play when he and the WR were on the 10 yard line. He did give up on the play and it's annoying when he does that - but I don't think it's because he's not competitive enough. He's plenty competitive. Gilmore is at his best from 5-15 yards from the LOS. After that, he lacks the long speed and ball skills of elite cover CBs. But he's perfect for this defense (and a perfect complement to Darby) because he can neutralize the other team's #1 receiver in the time it usually takes for the passrush to achieve its objective. Darby, by contrast, can run stride for stride with the faster guys,
thebandit27 Posted September 28, 2015 Posted September 28, 2015 He did give up on the play and it's annoying when he does that - but I don't think it's because he's not competitive enough. He's plenty competitive. Gilmore is at his best from 5-15 yards from the LOS. After that, he lacks the long speed and ball skills of elite cover CBs. But he's perfect for this defense (and a perfect complement to Darby) because he can neutralize the other team's #1 receiver in the time it usually takes for the passrush to achieve its objective. Darby, by contrast, can run stride for stride with the faster guys, I agree re: ball skills. His long speed, however, is fine IMO. He's a 4.40 guy; not quite as fast as Darby, but close (Darby ran 4.38). Darby has better short-area quickness, whereas Gilmore is taller and has better length. I really like both at this point though.
Maury Ballstein Posted September 28, 2015 Posted September 28, 2015 I agree re: ball skills. His long speed, however, is fine IMO. He's a 4.40 guy; not quite as fast as Darby, but close (Darby ran 4.38). Darby has better short-area quickness, whereas Gilmore is taller and has better length. I really like both at this point though. This. I can't think of a team I would want to swap corners with. Revis is amazing but cromartie is meh.
thebandit27 Posted September 28, 2015 Posted September 28, 2015 This. I can't think of a team I would want to swap corners with. Revis is amazing but cromartie is meh. No question in my mind that, from top to bottom, Buffalo has the best stable of corners in the division. I think Denver might have the best top 3 in the NFL though with Talib, Harris, and Roby...though I think we're in the discussion for best starting duo, best top 3, and best unit top-to-bottom in the AFC, perhaps even the NFL.
San-O Posted September 28, 2015 Posted September 28, 2015 16) Boobie Brown is at best an average RB. Every time he was given the ball, we lost yards. Maybe we should start calling him "BooBoo" Brown.
dave mcbride Posted September 28, 2015 Posted September 28, 2015 I agree re: ball skills. His long speed, however, is fine IMO. He's a 4.40 guy; not quite as fast as Darby, but close (Darby ran 4.38). Darby has better short-area quickness, whereas Gilmore is taller and has better length. I really like both at this point though. yep; Gilmore is plenty fast.
Pete Posted September 28, 2015 Posted September 28, 2015 yep; Gilmore is plenty fast. http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=89582&draftyear=2012&genpos=CB Gilmore ran a 4.28 and a 4.38
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