The Wiz Posted September 25, 2015 Posted September 25, 2015 i was JUST going to respond to Sully's article about that. Referring to a 4th quarter comeback as garbage time is so ridiculous. I'm sure Sully would say it's garbage time if they don't win the game.
D521646 Posted September 25, 2015 Posted September 25, 2015 There was no garbage time in this game, the Patriots did not alter their game plan one iota, they were just stymied a bit at the end which allowed the Bills to get back in it. Garbage time games are easy to spot, this one gave me no impression that it was. Tim-
thebandit27 Posted September 25, 2015 Posted September 25, 2015 That play kills me because you see it happen all the time and goes without being flagged. I don't know...by the letter of the rules, face-guarding is NOT a penalty. However, every time it happens in a game, regardless of whether or not there's contact, they call it DPI. Every time. It's frustrating, but players need to know that and react appropriately by making the effort to get their head turned around in those situations. Odds are, had Bradham done that, it wouldn't have been called. I don't like it either, but thems the breaks, ya know?
Rocky Landing Posted September 25, 2015 Posted September 25, 2015 That first drive where we scored our first touchdown must have been garbage time. Otherwise, there's no way we could have scored.
Nihilarian Posted September 25, 2015 Posted September 25, 2015 (edited) The film don't lie. I didn't see any let up in defensive pressure by Pats* in the last 12 minutes of the game. From Joe Buscagula All-22 review on Tyrod Taylor. 26) QB Tyrod Taylor "The blue print of how to stop Taylor is now out, and it’s on him to prove teams he can overcome the latest defensive scheme against him and regain some success for the team. On the first drive of the game, Taylor through short passes for yards after catch, and was able to use his legs. The drive resulted in a touchdown, and then the Patriots adjusted. They decided to take the short throws away from Taylor, kept eight-to-nine players in the box to take away his mobility, and dared him to throw it deep. Really, the Bills quarterback was just hesitant to do so, as it’s evidenced by the two tweets below: As the game went on, the Bills had to sling the ball around, and the Patriots backed off their game plan with the contest — at that point, at least — well in hand. Taylor will see a similar defense against the Miami Dolphins, and now it’s on him to correct the problem. If he doesn’t, it could very well be a festering problem. It’s still a bit too early for that, though. http://www.wkbw.com/sports/bills/joe-b-all-22-review-grading-bills-vs-patriots While Taylor did struggle, there were still some positive takeaways from the game, especially when the Patriots built up a lead and allowed Taylor to have more time in the pocket. While this may not seem like much, Taylor showed plenty of arm talent which will be critical to the Bills' success moving forward. http://profootballspot.com/index.html/nfl/afc-east/buffalo-bills/buffalo-bills-all-22-review-week-2-vs-patriots-r12858/ Just the highlights will tell the story and notice how many the Patriots are sending after the score is 37-13. Pats rushed only four on the Woods TD, and only rushed with three on the Taylor run for a TD. Then the Pats defense only four on the Watkins TD. The Patriots changed their defensive game plan in the 4th QTR,and only rushed 4, and sometimes 3 while sending more into coverage. They stopped stacking the box with 8/ 9 /10 which gave Taylor more time in the pocket. http://www.nfl.com/videos/buffalo-bills/0ap3000000534033/Patriots-vs-Bills-broadcast-highlights Edited September 26, 2015 by Nihilarian
The Wiz Posted September 25, 2015 Posted September 25, 2015 I don't know...by the letter of the rules, face-guarding is NOT a penalty. However, every time it happens in a game, regardless of whether or not there's contact, they call it DPI. Every time. It's frustrating, but players need to know that and react appropriately by making the effort to get their head turned around in those situations. Odds are, had Bradham done that, it wouldn't have been called. I don't like it either, but thems the breaks, ya know? That's the rub though. It's not a penalty but they make it one based on their own perception.
ddaryl Posted September 25, 2015 Posted September 25, 2015 It was garbage time. We looked like crap we played like crap and they got lucky when NE had a comfortable lead and sat back on it for a while. Gonna be interesting to see how they play on the road in Miami because if they look like they did against NE I'll never recover from it. NE was the game that was going to prove to me if things were gonna be different. I take no solace in garbage time.
Charles Romes Posted September 25, 2015 Posted September 25, 2015 Ironically, as bad as our D was getting shredded it was respect for our D that prevented NE from going ball control to run out the clock. They could not slow the game down out of respect for our D. That's how we got back in the.game.
thebandit27 Posted September 25, 2015 Posted September 25, 2015 That's the rub though. It's not a penalty but they make it one based on their own perception. Yep...I hate it too. Still think that defenders have to adjust to it though. It was garbage time. We looked like crap we played like crap and they got lucky when NE had a comfortable lead and sat back on it for a while. Gonna be interesting to see how they play on the road in Miami because if they look like they did against NE I'll never recover from it. NE was the game that was going to prove to me if things were gonna be different. I take no solace in garbage time. Suppose Sammy makes that great catch on the last INT. Buffalo has the ball at the 50 with about 50 seconds left and 2nd-and-10 (after a clock kill), down one score. Garbage time? Ironically, as bad as our D was getting shredded it was respect for our D that prevented NE from going ball control to run out the clock. They could not slow the game down out of respect for our D. That's how we got back in the.game. Assume by this you mean that NE figured they couldn't run the ball...in which case I agree.
Buffalo Boy Posted September 25, 2015 Posted September 25, 2015 We lost. Stop trying to find the clean end of that turd. It doesn't exist. Suppose Kelly actually let Thurman run more in the first SB.......
John from Riverside Posted September 25, 2015 Posted September 25, 2015 It was BB propensity to try to rub it in our faces that actually facilitated the comeback...... They didnt let off the gas on defense....but they should have and TT came close to pulling the damn thing out
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 25, 2015 Posted September 25, 2015 (edited) Sorry to bring up New England game one more time, but I am sick of all the references posted in the media about TT's "garbage time" rally. I live in New England and know that many Pats fans were worried he was pulling a "Tom Brady like" rally out of his ###. Anyway, I was excited at the 4 minute mark and even down to the last gasp that we might somehow pull the game out. As Bills fans, we have seen way to much of last minute rallies that killed us and a few we still enjoy (Houston playoff game). For those of you who were around in '86 when Kelly first came to the Bills, there were several rallies that fell just short. I'm hoping Tyrod is the start of something like that, but with a little fast forward on the wins while we can afford this defense. It is fun to say though.....Tyrod got his stats in Gaaaaah-bige time. But yeah, pats never slowed up, they just happened to turn it over and blow 2 4th conversions trying to run up the score. Had they flipped to burning clock I'm betting to would have ended a 3 score win. Edited September 25, 2015 by over 20 years of fanhood
SonofaK-Gun Posted September 25, 2015 Posted September 25, 2015 (edited) Tyrod Taylor is getting a lot of criticism for his pocket presence...to me (who never actually played the game), that sounds like a very fixable problem. Either way, I figured there were going to be peaks and valleys as he settles into the starting job. At the end of the day, they lost to the Super Bowl champs, while Miami lost to the Jaguars. I think the Bills do Miami fans a favor and beat the hell out of the Dolphins, thus paving the way for a mid-season firing of Joe Philbin. Edited September 25, 2015 by SonofaK-Gun
CardinalScotts Posted September 25, 2015 Posted September 25, 2015 every comeback starts with garbage time but if you pull off the win then they don't talk about it. The offense put up 32 points could have been at 37 had then converted the extra points. Its a stat for weak morning show people who can't throw a pillow across the room.
Andrew Son Posted September 25, 2015 Posted September 25, 2015 every comeback starts with garbage time but if you pull off the win then they don't talk about it. The offense put up 32 points could have been at 37 had then converted the extra points. Its a stat for weak morning show people who can't throw a pillow across the room. To me garbage time doesn't start until you can't possibly come back, that's the point. Let's say your down 45-10 with 2 minutes left and drive down for a touchdown- that's garbage time. How can it be garbage time if you can win?
YoloinOhio Posted September 25, 2015 Posted September 25, 2015 To me garbage time doesn't start until you can't possibly come back, that's the point. Let's say your down 45-10 with 2 minutes left and drive down for a touchdown- that's garbage time. How can it be garbage time if you can win?this
Bills Fan in Beantown Posted September 25, 2015 Posted September 25, 2015 No way a 5 point game is garbage time and for that matter an 8 point game is not garbage time. I need Sunday at 4:25 to get here.
Big Gun Posted September 25, 2015 Posted September 25, 2015 (edited) That going for it on fourth down at the 48 definitely came back to bite him in the ass That Patriot defense just isn't all that good, they are ranked 31st in the NFL right now. Re watch the game, and you should notice that after the start of the 4th qtr the Patriots never came after Taylor with more then four, and thus went into a prevent type defense, and that almost bit him in the ass too. and the score at the start of the 4th quarter was 37-13. The Pats only rushing 4 and in the prevent, yeah i'd consider TT 4th quarter doings to be "garbage time stats" it's just that the Pats, who controlled the flow of the game allowed "garbage time" to begin a little too early. When it counted earlier in the game and the Bills needed to answer any one of the Pats scores TT had no answer. TT only got yards and scores when the Pats allowed it. That said, go TT and kill the Dolphins. Edited September 25, 2015 by old school
JohnnyK Posted September 25, 2015 Posted September 25, 2015 I think BB knew it was still a game and did not deviate from his game plan. he's too smart for that.. stupid BB Stupid Brady!!! I hate U!!!! Go Bills!!!
Big Gun Posted September 25, 2015 Posted September 25, 2015 I think BB knew it was still a game and did not deviate from his game plan. he's too smart for that.. stupid BB Stupid Brady!!! I hate U!!!! Go Bills!!! I think you are right that BB did not deviate from his game plan but I disagree that he felt it was still a game. I think his game plan was to run up the score and try and embarrass the Bills. Evidenced by going for it on 4th downs, Brady having 59 pass attempts and only having 10 rushes(end arounds not included).
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