BillsFan-4-Ever Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 How did Baltimore survive with only TT as the unproven backup to Flacco for all those years? EJ has more starter experience in the NFL than Tayor does. He's no rookie either. But he's finally in a spot where he can develop... which is where he should be. Too bad for those realists that are perplexed by #rogue's wheelings and dealings. LMAO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 if cassel gets his chance, i bet he does very well behind that dallas O-line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 (edited) It's fluid and sometimes subtle/indirect situations. And you are trying to pigeonhole them into greater and direct meanings. Fred dos not make dareus directly possible, but it did allow Whaley to find other more efficient uses for the roster spot and cash. If you must draw that direct line to gain context/understanding, go for it I guess. You could draw it to literally any signing in the next year (or a few). If we kept Fred would dareus be unsigned today? I REALLY doubt it personally, but still buy there was value in the move in overall roster construction and I'm fine with it. For Matt to be #2 isn't a declaration that he's a great option, or that are #3 is distantly behind. Clearly they were prepared to go with either guy as #2 but if carrying both, the close decision went to MC. That extra value seemed to be worth approx 2m and a roster spot, but not $2m a roster spot and a pick, so they took the offer. They had MC at literally the max expense the could justify so they moved on when the Cowboys increased the opportunity cost of keeping him. It's a seemingly very small change in quality of #2, and a bit more of a gap in #3 probably but midway through September I'd venture that we see little risk of that and in turn have gained a roster spot, cap space, a draft pick, and given more reps to a guy they see as heading in an upward trajectory. In two weeks tyrod showed well, ej likely showed well, cassel might not have been (heck they might even think long term the new baby will be a distraction to him) and an 1/8 of the injury risk is washed out already for that worst case scenario. if you saw any other team do it, it wouldn't even begin to register as noteworthy yet alone confusing. Just a fringe player with limited value. I tend to agree with FireChan here. I feel like the Bills got nothing for him given that the late pick is two years down the road. It'd be one thing if it was a salary dump, but it wasn't because they just re-signed Cassel. I don't quite get the trade, and I must confess that the only thing that really makes sense is the idea that Whaley is clearing a path for his guy (Manuel). Nothing else makes sense. That said, it'll all be ok if Whaley is right and Manuel has to come in and plays well. Then it's a good move, I guess. One other thing: I'm a fan of keeping three real qbs on the roster. 2 just seems like really shaky roster management to me given injuries. Edited September 24, 2015 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 question: which is heavier ? ....a 2016 5th round choice or a 2017 5th round choice..... answer : they weigh the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Whatever the reason, it blows that the Bills did it with Cassels wife 8 months pregnant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 I tend to agree with FireChan here. I feel like the Bills got nothing for him given that the late pick is two years down the road. It'd be one thing if it was a salary dump, but it wasn't because they just re-signed Cassel. I don't quite get the trade, and I must confess that the only thing that really makes sense is the idea that Whaley is clearing a path for his guy (Manuel). Nothing else makes sense. That said, it'll all be ok if Whaley is right and Manuel has to come in and plays well. Then it's a good move, I guess. One other thing: I'm a fan of keeping three real qbs on the roster. 2 just seems like really shaky roster management to me given injuries. I also like the thought of having three, including one vet. But I absolutely disagree that this is Whaley promoting 'his guy'. If this was the case, he would never have re-signed him after cutting him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 if cassel gets his chance, i bet he does very well behind that dallas O-lineOne thing's for certain. Matt Cassel is not winning any games for The Buffalo Bills this year - or next. Sounds like M. C. was pissed that he didn't get the starter spot. Maybe he advocated for the trade. He was t going to start here, and he might have a much better shot of doing that in Dallas. What would The Bills of the 80s and 90s have done IF Kelly AND Reich went down with injuries for an extended time? #Rogue is rolling the dice! Riverboat Gambler! Let's hope for positive results. Go Bills! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastaJoe Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 If they thought EJ had improved then why resign Cassel and make him #2. Why not just make EJ #2 from the point Cassel was cut. That's where they ended up anyways. They must figure Cassel was better than EJ, but neither are good enough to win this year so try to get something for one of them. They're all in on Taylor. If he tanks then so does the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Whatever the reason, it blows that the Bills did it with Cassels wife 8 months pregnant. it is a business. Do you honestly think a business cares about your personal life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 I'll wait for the 30 for 30 on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 I'll wait for the 30 for 30 on this. It's more like "The Twilight Zone". They're questioning Rex's answers!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 I tend to agree with FireChan here. I feel like the Bills got nothing for him given that the late pick is two years down the road. It'd be one thing if it was a salary dump, but it wasn't because they just re-signed Cassel. I don't quite get the trade, and I must confess that the only thing that really makes sense is the idea that Whaley is clearing a path for his guy (Manuel). Nothing else makes sense. That said, it'll all be ok if Whaley is right and Manuel has to come in and plays well. Then it's a good move, I guess. One other thing: I'm a fan of keeping three real qbs on the roster. 2 just seems like really shaky roster management to me given injuries. If they thought EJ had improved then why resign Cassel and make him #2. Why not just make EJ #2 from the point Cassel was cut. That's where they ended up anyways. They must figure Cassel was better than EJ, but neither are good enough to win this year so try to get something for one of them. They're all in on Taylor. If he tanks then so does the season. Meh won't be here to guide us to 8-8 if Ej and TT are hurt. Dooomed!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 it is a business. Do you honestly think a business cares about your personal life? Some do. And in fact that's one of the things the Pegula's have been praised for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Here's another idea: maybe this is as much about a lack of faith in the o-line than about having renewed faith in EJ. Through two games it's clear that this offensive line is going to be a work in progress and the QB behind it is going to have to be able to improvise and move. Cassel would be a dead duck back there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 (edited) Maybe it's a double-secret probation hush-hush behind closed doors deal they had with Dallas after we scarfed up their prize backup (Snortin' Orton) after he "retired" from Jurruh's team last year. They didn't sue The Bills, but they made it clear that we owed them a favor. [/shades of the Chris Speilman trade] Edited September 24, 2015 by Nanker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 question: which is heavier ? ....a 2016 5th round choice or a 2017 5th round choice..... answer : they weigh the same No, that's actually not true, at least according to NFL GMs. Picks that come later chronologically are discounted, because the likelihood the GM/coach stay with the team decreases from year to year. Given the turnover in the Bills front office in the last decade and a half and the alleged shakiness of Whaley's situation at the end of the 2014 season, that's not a factor to be discounted. Ask any GM whether they'd rather have a 2016 5th round pick or a 2017 5th round pick, and 32 out of 32 would tell you that they'd take the 2016 pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 One thing's for certain. Matt Cassel is not winning any games for The Buffalo Bills this year - or next. Sounds like M. C. was pissed that he didn't get the starter spot. Maybe he advocated for the trade. He was t going to start here, and he might have a much better shot of doing that in Dallas. What would The Bills of the 80s and 90s have done IF Kelly AND Reich went down with injuries for an extended time? #Rogue is rolling the dice! Riverboat Gambler! Let's hope for positive results. Go Bills! Gale Gilbert. But the odds of the Bills having to go to their 3rd QB are slim. The only time I can remember it happening was 2013, but both top-2 QB's (Kolb, EJ) got injured in pre-season. If they thought EJ had improved then why resign Cassel and make him #2. Why not just make EJ #2 from the point Cassel was cut. That's where they ended up anyways. They must figure Cassel was better than EJ, but neither are good enough to win this year so try to get something for one of them. They're all in on Taylor. If he tanks then so does the season. The only thing I can think is they signed/re-signed him for his experience, but saw that it meant little in the 2 games so far, so when they had an opportunity to trade him and at least get something for him, no matter how miniscule, they jumped at it. He hasn't played well on the field for years, not to mention hasn't stayed healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 24, 2015 Author Share Posted September 24, 2015 Gale Gilbert. But the odds of the Bills having to go to their 3rd QB are slim. The only time I can remember it happening was 2013, but both top-2 QB's (Kolb, EJ) got injured in pre-season. The only thing I can think is they signed/re-signed him for his experience, but saw that it meant little in the 2 games so far, so when they had an opportunity to trade him and at least get something for him, no matter how miniscule, they jumped at it. He hasn't played well on the field for years, not to mention hasn't stayed healthy. Tell that to Bruce Arians and the Cardinals who were Super Bowl contenders last season until Carson Palmer and then Drew Stanton went down. It's definitely a calculated risk on the part of Whaley. Here's to good health (and good play of course) for Tyrod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Tell that to Bruce Arians and the Cardinals who were Super Bowl contenders last season until Carson Palmer and then Drew Stanton went down. It's definitely a calculated risk on the part of Whaley. Here's to good health (and good play of course) for Tyrod. Maybe - but let's face it, by the time you're on your third QB your playoff and Superbowl odds are almost nonexistent. At that point you're playing for next year anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamSandwhich Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Who was it in the press conference that kept pressing Rex for why he let Cassel go and now is ok with EJ being #2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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