ALF Posted September 23, 2015 Posted September 23, 2015 oh sure, you take Yolo's word for it, but throw JasonLaCanfora in my face when I say the same thing....FINE!!!! Be that way... Yolo is only the gold standard for news , but now Poojer is right up there I thought a 5th was too good to be true .
stevewin Posted September 23, 2015 Posted September 23, 2015 A 3rd Kicker just for Extra Points. This was funny
26CornerBlitz Posted September 23, 2015 Author Posted September 23, 2015 This was funny #Rogue, but oh so "Innovative".
Smiley Dear Posted September 23, 2015 Posted September 23, 2015 I know i am.My biggest worry this year was Tyrod going down and meh coming in.Mine too
bigK14094 Posted September 23, 2015 Posted September 23, 2015 After listening to Cassell talk about why he took the pay cut in Buffalo....his wife was 8 months with child.....and he wanted to stay as a move wasn't in the best interests of his family, and that he had a number of calls when he was a free agent. So, he signs for a lot less money......and then Whaley trades him to Dallas. Now, it crosses my mind, that he just might refuse to report, stay in Buffalo with his wife to have the child...and resume his career next season. And, were I him, I would feel that Whaley treated him poorly in this situation as the series of events played out. So, if he is vindictive, and has made enough money (11 years in the league as a QB, yes he is a millionaire many times over), he might also stay out of football the rest of the season to spite Whaley (and the Bills)....and they won't get the 5th round choice. So, imho, I am wondering if he will report to Dallas at all. At the very least, he might hold out for a restoration of salary to its prior level. Going to watch this one...not sure we have heard the last of this situation.
YoloinOhio Posted September 23, 2015 Posted September 23, 2015 (edited) After listening to Cassell talk about why he took the pay cut in Buffalo....his wife was 8 months with child.....and he wanted to stay as a move wasn't in the best interests of his family, and that he had a number of calls when he was a free agent. So, he signs for a lot less money......and then Whaley trades him to Dallas. Now, it crosses my mind, that he just might refuse to report, stay in Buffalo with his wife to have the child...and resume his career next season. And, were I him, I would feel that Whaley treated him poorly in this situation as the series of events played out. So, if he is vindictive, and has made enough money (11 years in the league as a QB, yes he is a millionaire many times over), he might also stay out of football the rest of the season to spite Whaley (and the Bills)....and they won't get the 5th round choice. So, imho, I am wondering if he will report to Dallas at all. At the very least, he might hold out for a restoration of salary to its prior level. Going to watch this one...not sure we have heard the last of this situation. I don't know... at the time he was cut, he had a choice, and made that choice based on family. Plus he may have made more $ in Buffalo than the other teams who had interest, we don't know what they were offering. But you don't always have a choice in the NFL, you can be traded at any time unless you have a no-trade clause. Players understand this. It comes with the territory of being an NFL player. I feel bad for his family situation too, but Whaley made the trade because his responsibility is managing the assets of a football team. Edited September 23, 2015 by YoloinOhio
Peter Posted September 23, 2015 Posted September 23, 2015 (edited) At the end of the day, it is not the biggest deal in the world, but I would have thought that the Bills would have gotten a 5th in 2016 straight up. Instead (according to reports): 2015 Cowboys get Cassel 2016 No compensation either way 2017 Bills essentially move up two late rounds (approximately 60 late round picks) to Cowboys 5th round pick in exchange for our 7th round pick. Given the very limited compensation that we will receive in a year and one-half, was it worthwhile even making this deal from the Bills' perspective? Would we have been better off keeping a veteran QB as a back up and a low salary? Was there something else going on? Edited September 23, 2015 by Peter
NoSaint Posted September 23, 2015 Posted September 23, 2015 (edited) At the end of the day, it is not the biggest deal in the world, but I would have thought that the Bills would have gotten a 5th in 2016 straight up. Instead: 2015 Cowboys get Cassel 2016 No compensation either way 2017 Bills essentially move up two rounds (approximately 60 late round picks). Given the very limited compensation that we will receive in a year and one-half, was it worthwhile even making this deal from the Bills' perspective? Would we have been better off keeping a veteran QB as a back up and a low salary? Was there something else going on? you also save money, which is nice. and a roster spot. and get the 60 spots in the draft later. in 2015 the bills will get some player that they are about to sign. Edited September 23, 2015 by NoSaint
YoloinOhio Posted September 23, 2015 Posted September 23, 2015 (edited) At the end of the day, it is not the biggest deal in the world, but I would have thought that the Bills would have gotten a 5th in 2016 straight up. Instead: 2015 Cowboys get Cassel 2016 No compensation either way 2017 Bills essentially move up two rounds (approximately 60 late round picks). Given the very limited compensation that we will receive in a year and one-half, was it worthwhile even making this deal from the Bills' perspective? Would we have been better off keeping a veteran QB as a back up and a low salary? Was there something else going on? I don't think he would have been worth a 2016 5th. He's coming in as their 3rd QB, essentially, and is a FA at the end of the season. They may only have him for 2 months before Romo comes back. The Bills got what they could. As far as 2015, they did have a vet QB here for about 7 months, through OTAs and TC, and 2 weeks of the season, which could only help the young QBs who remain. Edited September 23, 2015 by YoloinOhio
Leroi Posted September 23, 2015 Posted September 23, 2015 After listening to Cassell talk about why he took the pay cut in Buffalo....his wife was 8 months with child.....and he wanted to stay as a move wasn't in the best interests of his family, and that he had a number of calls when he was a free agent. So, he signs for a lot less money......and then Whaley trades him to Dallas. Now, it crosses my mind, that he just might refuse to report, stay in Buffalo with his wife to have the child...and resume his career next season. And, were I him, I would feel that Whaley treated him poorly in this situation as the series of events played out. So, if he is vindictive, and has made enough money (11 years in the league as a QB, yes he is a millionaire many times over), he might also stay out of football the rest of the season to spite Whaley (and the Bills)....and they won't get the 5th round choice. So, imho, I am wondering if he will report to Dallas at all. At the very least, he might hold out for a restoration of salary to its prior level. Going to watch this one...not sure we have heard the last of this situation. This is a shrewd business, Rhino skin is needed to work for the NFL. Not reporting is career suicide, he will report and I wouldn't be surprised if he plays in the playoffs before we do. Imo
BuffaloHokie13 Posted September 23, 2015 Posted September 23, 2015 This is a shrewd business, Rhino skin is needed to work for the NFL. Not reporting is career suicide, he will report and I wouldn't be surprised if he plays in the playoffs before we do. Imo Because they'll be a wildcard and we'll have a 1st round bye!
YoloinOhio Posted September 23, 2015 Posted September 23, 2015 Duke was 4th and Meeks was 5th. Hopkins was 6th. Thanks - this just makes me hate Duke even more.
Freddie's Dead Posted September 23, 2015 Posted September 23, 2015 i am guessing that it is so they have something tangible from the trade after this season. They don't even expect Cassel to play. They are signing him to back up Weeden for 2 months. If no one gets hurt he will be cut after that. If Weeden gets hurt he's gone in February. That's too little ROI for a 5th round pick in any year. Thank you for 'splainin' that Luthy, makes sense. In those terms, Cassel's worth = lower than whale **** in the bottom of the ocean. After listening to Cassell talk about why he took the pay cut in Buffalo....his wife was 8 months with child.....and he wanted to stay as a move wasn't in the best interests of his family, and that he had a number of calls when he was a free agent. So, he signs for a lot less money......and then Whaley trades him to Dallas. Now, it crosses my mind, that he just might refuse to report, stay in Buffalo with his wife to have the child...and resume his career next season. And, were I him, I would feel that Whaley treated him poorly in this situation as the series of events played out. So, if he is vindictive, and has made enough money (11 years in the league as a QB, yes he is a millionaire many times over), he might also stay out of football the rest of the season to spite Whaley (and the Bills)....and they won't get the 5th round choice. So, imho, I am wondering if he will report to Dallas at all. At the very least, he might hold out for a restoration of salary to its prior level. Going to watch this one...not sure we have heard the last of this situation. No doubt about it, Whaley is a dick. But he's our dick.
BillsVet Posted September 23, 2015 Posted September 23, 2015 I think it's stupid to unload Cassel! We may need him!!! If and when TT goee down, I think Matt had the experience to not get us in trouble! AND, all we got were 2017 draft picks. How about something now???? Trade makes perfect sense. Rex has control over the game-day roster and didn't feel EJ was worthy of dressing. OTOH, Whaley's rep hangs in the balance (he hasn't been re-signed) and much of that is related to the Manuel selection. Of course "Trader Doug" has no qualms trading the veteran QB to essentially a super-rookie starter. And so now Manuel gets to dress. Which means if Taylor struggles, Manuel's the only option left.
machine gun kelly Posted September 23, 2015 Posted September 23, 2015 Deal is fine. We would never get anything more than a 5th for Cassel. Some 5th rounders make it like Karlos Williams. He was never going to light it up for us.
26CornerBlitz Posted September 23, 2015 Author Posted September 23, 2015 Thurman Thomas: Whaley "has done an oustanding job" (13:42)Bills Hall of Fame running back Thurman Thomas called in to The John Murphy Show to discuss the trade of quarterback Matt Cassel, the game against the Patriots, and his thoughts on this weekend's matchup in Miami.
LB3 Posted September 23, 2015 Posted September 23, 2015 Thanks - this just makes me hate Duke even more. Never fear, the Meeks will inherit the earth...if Duke doesn't get his act together.
thurst44 Posted September 23, 2015 Posted September 23, 2015 At the end of the day, it is not the biggest deal in the world, but I would have thought that the Bills would have gotten a 5th in 2016 straight up. Dallas was the team in immediate need of a QB and they didn't have a 2016 5th round to give. They traded it for Brice Butler.
Fixxxer Posted September 23, 2015 Posted September 23, 2015 Trade makes perfect sense. Rex has control over the game-day roster and didn't feel EJ was worthy of dressing. OTOH, Whaley's rep hangs in the balance (he hasn't been re-signed) and much of that is related to the Manuel selection. Of course "Trader Doug" has no qualms trading the veteran QB to essentially a super-rookie starter. And so now Manuel gets to dress. Which means if Taylor struggles, Manuel's the only option left. When I read your posts, I always think of this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_realism
ALF Posted September 23, 2015 Posted September 23, 2015 After listening to Cassell talk about why he took the pay cut in Buffalo....his wife was 8 months with child.....and he wanted to stay as a move wasn't in the best interests of his family, and that he had a number of calls when he was a free agent. So, he signs for a lot less money......and then Whaley trades him to Dallas. Now, it crosses my mind, that he just might refuse to report, stay in Buffalo with his wife to have the child...and resume his career next season. And, were I him, I would feel that Whaley treated him poorly in this situation as the series of events played out. So, if he is vindictive, and has made enough money (11 years in the league as a QB, yes he is a millionaire many times over), he might also stay out of football the rest of the season to spite Whaley (and the Bills)....and they won't get the 5th round choice. So, imho, I am wondering if he will report to Dallas at all. At the very least, he might hold out for a restoration of salary to its prior level. Going to watch this one...not sure we have heard the last of this situation. I think he will move to Dallas . Hire a cute illegal nanny and housekeeper to help out his wife. Orton walking away from big money is still a mystery to me.
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