....lybob Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 There are well over 480,000 Volkswagen-made, diesel-powered vehicles currently traveling roads in the United States that do not meet the Environmental Protection Agency's emissions requirements. This, as you can probably imagine, is a very big deal, and has led VW CEO Professor Doctor Martin Winterkorn to release an official statement on the matter. "I personally am deeply sorry that we have broken the trust of our customers and the public," he said. It's important to note that these vehicles run software with a so-called "defeat device" that kicks in when the on-board computer senses that it is being tested for emissions. When the car is operating normally – in other words, when its exhaust isn't being sniffed – the cars do not meet US emissions standards. According to the EPA and the California Air Resources Board, affected cars emit as much as 40 times the allowable level of certain pollutants. http://www.autoblog.com/2015/09/20/vw-external-probe-diesel-emission-scandal/
Corp000085 Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 Good thing mine is leased and the resale price is locked into contract. Even if the value of the car is zero, I get mine!
LeGOATski Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 Saw this a couple days ago and was surprised. Very sneaky of them. Turns out that "clean diesel" isn't so clean.
ExiledInIllinois Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 (edited) I caught this too a few days ago. What would be the benefit? Is there less maintenance when it is out of testing mode? ...Aside from pure PR/marketing, why not just leave it in clean mode? There has to a benefit and how did they possibly think they were going to never get caught. I read another article on this, what's VW's defense, it never said. Is it the Tom Brady/Patrick Kane defense: "I am totally right and did nothing wrong?" Yeah, you three aces, that's why somebody has bite marks, there's a smashed phone, and cars are spewing "Prius repellant." Edited September 21, 2015 by ExiledInIllinois
Saxum Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 Have the P*tri*ts contacted VW about them being their official vehicle yet?They I am sure how can help them with publicity campaign to blame it on other car companies's jealousy. They certainly have a few good laywers to recommend.
DC Tom Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 "The EPA's measurements are invalid because they don't take into account the Ideal Gas Law. And the references to 'emissions testing' in our emails refer to the senior design engineer's dietary restrictions," said Volkswagon's VP of Engineering, Tomas Bundchen.
The Dean Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 "The EPA's measurements are invalid because they don't take into account the Ideal Gas Law. And the references to 'emissions testing' in our emails refer to the senior design engineer's dietary restrictions," said Volkswagon's VP of Engineering, Tomas Bundchen. Is this POS going to jail? Maybe they should just put a defeat device on his bank account. So it will look like he has all of his money, until he decides to spend it. Then the sniffer kicks in and all his accounts all register as empty.
ExiledInIllinois Posted September 22, 2015 Posted September 22, 2015 emissions are a joke I noticed the timestamp. I see you are have a problem w/the nocturnal ones. You better get that corrected before you make a real mess. :-P
Corp000085 Posted September 22, 2015 Posted September 22, 2015 I caught this too a few days ago. What would be the benefit? Is there less maintenance when it is out of testing mode? ...Aside from pure PR/marketing, why not just leave it in clean mode? I'm assuming "clean mode" means a VERY significant reduction in performance and mileage, to the point where the car is an entirely different drive. I have a 2014 Sportwagen, and I could totally see that thing turning into a slug with the push of a button or a computer flash.
Beerball Posted September 22, 2015 Posted September 22, 2015 "The EPA's measurements are invalid because they don't take into account the Ideal Gas Law. And the references to 'emissions testing' in our emails refer to the senior design engineer's dietary restrictions," said Volkswagon's VP of Engineering, Tomas Bundchen.Fahrvergnügen
ExiledInIllinois Posted September 22, 2015 Posted September 22, 2015 I'm assuming "clean mode" means a VERY significant reduction in performance and mileage, to the point where the car is an entirely different drive. I have a 2014 Sportwagen, and I could totally see that thing turning into a slug with the push of a button or a computer flash. True... I kinda forgot about preformance. Gr8 point. I switch my 2014 Cooper S into "green mode" and it is like you said, a total slug! Now in "sport mode" it is a whole 'nother beast. "Mid-mode" is a happy medium. Everything tightens up with the slide of that switch to "sport mode" even the suspension. Now, this is a petrol vehicle, so I guess there isn't too much enviro impact outside of fuel consumption... BUT it will go from sipping gas @ almost 40 mpg to just over 20 mpg in "sport mode!" Big difference and you can really see the fuel gauge go down with such a small 11 gallon tank! All w/the slide of a switch! German engineers want the best of both worlds I suppose... Cake and eat it too! A clean diesel that sips and preforms. Yet, what fool on the planet actually buys into that mentality especially with dirty diesel. VW is very much to blame, but the market that believes this BS (clean & fast) they target is also to blame for buying into the PR. Kinda the ones that fell for Bernie Madoff. I just don't think preformance w/diesel, I think "fuel consumption", longevity, and power. No don't get me wrong, the Germans have come a long way w/diesel tech... BUT I have a hard time buying the "clean" BS along with preformance... Always have! Maybe that's why I can't fathom this device is even needed.
Beerball Posted September 22, 2015 Posted September 22, 2015 http://jalopnik.com/your-guide-to-dieselgate-volkswagens-diesel-cheating-c-1731857018 https://www.yahoo.com/autos/volkswagen-admits-11-million-vehicles-had-fake-129635341557.html
Marv's Neighbor Posted September 22, 2015 Posted September 22, 2015 I didn't think anybody bought them in the USA. Not that they're bad, just not that cost effective. In the 70's. when all this oil BS started, Diesel was less expensive than gasoline. It still should be now, except for all the taxes, and stupid rules like this one.
ExiledInIllinois Posted September 22, 2015 Posted September 22, 2015 Just imagine if we went to more diesel... It is a dirty fuel. I always fill up by a diesel pump... And it is so groady. Miles-wise you will get more mpg w/diesel... BUT it comes @ a bigger cost to the environment. I still don't understand why they would ever mesh performance with diesel... IMO, you why... Makers looking to meet the minimum mpg requirements, so the push the envelope with all availble tech out there. You see it with all the turbo craze and gasoline engines Gov't is partially to blame here... They push automakers into these corners. Why VW got into that corner is their problem though!
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