tennesseeboy Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 I didn't think TT was all that bad, but there were a few factors to consider: First and foremost the offensive line was awful yesterday. Too many penalties and too little blocking. On the good side I don't think the line is as bad as they seemed on Sunday, given their improvement in pre-season and game one. They definitely lost focus and showed very little discipline. The offensive line coach should maybe slap them around like he did the teenage boys in Florida and get them lean, mean and disciplined. Second he did throw for three touchdowns and run for one, and playing come from behind. Third we should have run the ball more. The first drive was a work of art and keeping Brady on the bench would have been a smart game plan. Fourth, maybe subliminally we are comparing him to Brady....I hate Brady....but he is one hell of a quarterback. I was talking with colleagues this morning and we posited the theory that he was a second string qb at Michigan and made a deal with the devil. I want to give that more thought...but it would explain a lot. No human is that good Fifth, Ryan got outcoached this time. He's got to get back to the drawing board and back on track. Conclusion...TT wasn't all that bad and we should expect him to get better.
26CornerBlitz Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 @TyDunne Tyrod Taylor's ball was sailing high often in Sunday's loss leading to a couple costly picks... https://vine.co/v/ePJXMJLDvZH
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 (edited) Taylor was shaky at first and finished strong. Our offense put up 32. Offensive gameplan was garbage. Defense got us in a hole early. Penalties. O-line was crap. That's all pretty fair. Bellicheat is very good at taking away things. He basically said you'll have to beat us with Tyrod over the top. We're taking everything else away. Edited September 21, 2015 by over 20 years of fanhood
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 do you have faith in this staff to develop any of them? They made EJ and TT along with Alex Smith and Kaepernick look good so yes
truth on hold Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 They made EJ and TT along with Alex Smith and Kaepernick look good so yes Different HC in San Francisco. With this HC the guy who won the preseason competition doesn't even dress for games
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 I didn't think TT was all that bad, but there were a few factors to consider: First and foremost the offensive line was awful yesterday. Too many penalties and too little blocking. On the good side I don't think the line is as bad as they seemed on Sunday, given their improvement in pre-season and game one. They definitely lost focus and showed very little discipline. The offensive line coach should maybe slap them around like he did the teenage boys in Florida and get them lean, mean and disciplined. Second he did throw for three touchdowns and run for one, and playing come from behind. Third we should have run the ball more. The first drive was a work of art and keeping Brady on the bench would have been a smart game plan. Fourth, maybe subliminally we are comparing him to Brady....I hate Brady....but he is one hell of a quarterback. I was talking with colleagues this morning and we posited the theory that he was a second string qb at Michigan and made a deal with the devil. I want to give that more thought...but it would explain a lot. No human is that good Fifth, Ryan got outcoached this time. He's got to get back to the drawing board and back on track. Conclusion...TT wasn't all that bad and we should expect him to get better. Know what's scary? He said before the game the plan had been ready for months!
Wing Man Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 It would be great if we had our actual OL coach in practices and on the field for us, but he had to be an undisciplined moron. I wonder where the young guys get their leadership from.
GoBills! Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 My big concern for TT yesterday was ball control after the snap and moving up in the pocket to see the play... he had a hard time seeing behind the line and controlling the ball after the snap..he didnt look over the top much or in the middle to TE or Slot...lots of dumps to shady and WR 4 yards out...
1billsfan Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 Different HC in San Francisco. With this HC the guy who won the preseason competition doesn't even dress for games IMO this will eventually go down as a much bigger blunder for Rex than yesterday's game. They have "their" guy starting and now they are seeing very large red flags. I hope I'm wrong, but we are all beginning to see why Taylor isn't going to be the answer. There's a reason why having success as a small QB is an extremely rare thing in the NFL. You just can't have consistency with a "seat of your pants" style of passing game. I'd give him two more games to show something. Dude's in his fifth year so there's not a ton of slack given here with that big tall fellow EJ waiting in the wings.
Maddog69 Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 This thread is a drastic overreaction. Taylor struggled quite a bit in this game, as did many of his teammates and the coaching staff. He still made a tremendous amount of plays and if Sammy Watkins is able to come down with that last catch, would've had a chance to drive down for the game tieing score. Taylor is still learning how to be an NFL starting QB. He completed over 70 percent of his passes and helped put up over 40 points. This was a learning experience for him for sure. I'm interested to see his future development. People expecting a guy to show up and play like Brady in his prime right out of the gate is idiotic. And to the guys saying this game shows EJ should be starting, that idiotic too. Some of you will remember, I'm one of EJ biggest fans and I would be thrilled if he were the starter right now but that's not because I think Tyrod did poorly yesterday. I'm happy we have two good young QBs. Now that Tyrod is starting, I want the Bills to stick with him and let him continue to gain experience and confidence.
Nihilarian Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 (edited) So we're back to blaming poor QB play on "play calling." Look, I get it, we want Taylor to be good. Yesterday, he wasn't. He wasn't even close to being good for the majority of the game. The Bills got into a huge hole yesterday primarily because of three things: Horrible discipline on ST, a D that gave up play after play in the passing game and poor QB play. TT was indecisive and looked confused for much of the day. He held the ball to long. He was inaccurate on many of his passes. But, he's young and I'd stick with him for the foreseeable future because everybody has clunkers, particularly against Belichick. Hopefully TT will learn from his mistakes but to defend his play yesterday is the definition of being a homer. One can think he played poorly and still think he can turn into a good QB. These things aren't mutually exclusive. This! to the Bold print. A lot of fans are forgetting that his last TD could have easily been intercepted had the defender not jumped to early. Still, the entire team was bad in so many ways, and Taylor did manage to effectively mount a decent comeback at the end of the game. TBH I'm far more disappointed in the coaching, game plan then I am in the QB. Edited September 21, 2015 by Nihilarian
BuffaloHokie13 Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 A lot of fans are forgetting that his last TD could have easily been intercepted had the defender not jumped to early. Still, the entire team was bad in so many ways, and Taylor did manage to effectively mount a decent comeback at the end of the game. TBH I'm far more disappointed in the coaching, game plan then I am in the QB. If we're counting that as 'should have been intercepted' then Sammy should have caught that last ball that got tipped and picked. (FWIW I don't think either would have been easy catches)
Kirby Jackson Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 Yeah, like 1, maybe 2. Hardly a "certain segment". One can criticize Taylor's poor play without having an agenda. No need to be so defensive. Taylor was poor yesterday. His play didn't improve until the Bills were down by three TDs.It's just the way it is. He needs to be better than he was yesterday if the Bills want to compete this year. Read the post above this one
Dibs Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 Read the post above this one You obviously missed the point. Sure, there are some here that are madly in love with EJ and that drives their particular narative....but there are many like myself who would like the opportunity to discuss the relative merits/weaknesses of our starting QB without posts like your earlier one inferring that we are all rabid irrational EJ lovers.
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 (edited) Pareto Analysis is a simple technique for prioritizing problem-solving work so that the first piece of work you do resolved the greatest number of problems. It's based on thePareto Principle (also known as the 80/20 Rule) – the idea that 80 percent of problems may be caused by as few as 20 percent of causes. A. Do some on here really believe that changing QBs or focusing on TT as the cause of 80% of the teams problems is the right course of action. or B. Have a different agenda other than being a bills fan, like being right in your own little mind. IMO having a better game plan on both sides of the ball would help alot more! The coach's know and deserve the lion's share of the criticism for the game. Edited September 21, 2015 by The Thurmanator
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 (edited) Tyrod only got hot because it was garbage time. The Pats got so comfortable and felt so non-threatened by Taylor that they allowed him to the opportunity to scare them at the end and he took advantage. It was still garbage time though. So how exactly do you define "Garbage Time"? If Taylor had completed a throw to Sammy instead of an INT and we'd scored, you'd be calling it a "brilliant comeback". That's My Point. "Garbage time" is really not a useful concept because it's largely defined in hindsight. Edited September 21, 2015 by Hopeful
26CornerBlitz Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 @MatthewFairburn Per PFF, Tyrod Taylor was under pressure on 50 percent of dropbacks against the Patriots. Tom Brady was pressured 16.4 percent of the time.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 (edited) Pareto Analysis is a simple technique for prioritizing problem-solving work so that the first piece of work you do resolved the greatest number of problems. It's based on thePareto Principle (also known as the 80/20 Rule) – the idea that 80 percent of problems may be caused by as few as 20 percent of causes. A. Do some on here really believe that changing QBs or focusing on TT as the cause of 80% of the teams problems is the right course of action. or B. Have a different agenda other than being a bills fan, like being right in your own little mind. IMO having a better game plan on both sides of the ball would help alot more! Ha! Nailed it. Tyrod Taylor didn't give up a new Bills record, 466 yds passing on our D. He did throw a bad INT to Clay that resulted in good field position at the Bills 30 (that's on him) and led to a TD putting the Pats up 21-7 after we gave up 2 passes for 21 yds, and 2 runs for 7. It would be great if we had our actual OL coach in practices and on the field for us, but he had to be an undisciplined moron. I wonder where the young guys get their leadership from. Now isn't this a zinger. Too true, too true! @MatthewFairburn Per PFF, Tyrod Taylor was under pressure on 50 percent of dropbacks against the Patriots. Tom Brady was pressured 16.4 percent of the time. He wasn't under pressure. He just held onto the ball too long like a deer in the headlights for no good reason. I read that here. Edited September 21, 2015 by Hopeful
Kirby Jackson Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 You obviously missed the point. Sure, there are some here that are madly in love with EJ and that drives their particular narative....but there are many like myself who would like the opportunity to discuss the relative merits/weaknesses of our starting QB without posts like your earlier one inferring that we are all rabid irrational EJ lovers. I guess the point is what do we expect? Currently our starting QB has played 2 games in his career. He has led the offense on 8 TD drives in 2 games has a QBR of 57.5 (50 is average). The game plan that he was handed yesterday was appalling and they still managed 32 points. He completed 76.6% of his passes and had 2 balls tipped where diving picks were made.Are we shocked that a guy struggled against a Belicheck defense in his 2nd career start? Go look at what others have done against Belicheck in their first few starts. What is it that we should reasonably from him after 2 games? If you think that a guy completing over 75% of his passes that has led 8 TD drives in 2 weeks isn't playing well enough I don't know what to tell you. If I told you before the start of the year that the Bills offense was going to score 4 TDs a game what would you have anticipated the record being? The QB did not play particularly well yesterday but he was not the reason for the outcome.
Dibs Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 Pareto Analysis is a simple technique for prioritizing problem-solving work so that the first piece of work you do resolved the greatest number of problems. It's based on thePareto Principle (also known as the 80/20 Rule) the idea that 80 percent of problems may be caused by as few as 20 percent of causes. A. Do some on here really believe that changing QBs or focusing on TT as the cause of 80% of the teams problems is the right course of action. or B. Have a different agenda other than being a bills fan, like being right in your own little mind. IMO having a better game plan on both sides of the ball would help alot more! The coach's know and deserve the lion's share of the criticism for the game. If this thread was about the reasons why we lost the game you would have an excellent point. As it stands however, you are pretty much saying that we can only discuss the merits of those perceived 20% of things. Personally I would like the ability to discuss all aspects of my beloved Bills on the Bills forum. I guess the point is what do we expect? Currently our starting QB has played 2 games in his career. He has led the offense on 8 TD drives in 2 games has a QBR of 57.5 (50 is average). The game plan that he was handed yesterday was appalling and they still managed 32 points. He completed 76.6% of his passes and had 2 balls tipped where diving picks were made.Are we shocked that a guy struggled against a Belicheck defense in his 2nd career start? Go look at what others have done against Belicheck in their first few starts. What is it that we should reasonably from him after 2 games? If you think that a guy completing over 75% of his passes that has led 8 TD drives in 2 weeks isn't playing well enough I don't know what to tell you. If I told you before the start of the year that the Bills offense was going to score 4 TDs a game what would you have anticipated the record being? The QB did not play particularly well yesterday but he was not the reason for the outcome. Here you are discussing the situation...which is great. Unfortunately your earlier post was accusing all those who wanted to discuss TT's perceived flaws as being butthurt EJ fans (sic).
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