Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 And the INT's were bad throws. The fumbles even worse plays. was it four straight 3 and outs? Two of the INTs were 2 minute drills before the half and at the end of the game. You have to take chances there.
PlayoffsPlease Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 The Patriots were able to dominate the Bills for three quarters in large part because Taylor was ineffective. They toyed with the Bills like a cat with a mouse in the fourth quarter. Going for it on 4th and 1 with a 3 TD lead was a slap in the face to the Bills, and a gift for the Bills when it failed. Taylor is good when he has lots of time and a receiver gets good separation. Eight sacks is a indictment of the offensive line. But eight sacks should put to rest the idea that Taylor has some sort of magical escapability abilities. The Patriots and Colts have given the rest of the league pretty good tape on what works against Taylor and what doesn't. Tyrod is a fifth year player. While certainly game experience can't hurt, he is not a rookie. Bills fans lived through the nonsense that Fitzpatrick was a "virtual rookie" too. If plays like this past game it is going to be a problem. He isn't a top half of the league QB. He isn't a top 20 QB. He is a marginal starter who is a weak spot on the team.
todd Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 John that's fine but we have a slimmer learning curve. The rest of the team is built to win RIGHT NOW. I'm not expecting him to be Brady. I'm expecting him to not take 3-5 seconds to deliver the ball. Anything over 3 isn't cool, and I counted at least 15 times where 3 was doing him a favor. Unacceptable. So he should be benched in favor of ....? Yeah, that's what I thought.
1billsfan Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 (edited) You could stop after the first 6 words. There is no strict definition People call it "garbage time" when you don't come back enough to win and use the term to diminish any offensive accomplishments after the other team has a solid lead. If you win, though, well, Hey, then it's a brilliant comeback. Tyrod only got hot because it was garbage time. The Pats got so comfortable and felt so non-threatened by Taylor that they allowed him to the opportunity to scare them at the end and he took advantage. It was still garbage time though. Edited September 21, 2015 by 1billsfan
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 Two of the INTs were 2 minute drills before the half and at the end of the game. You have to take chances there. Sorry. That is not a valid excuse. These 2 minute drills before the half and at the end of the game are supposed to be when you play your best. Why else do you see these headlines - most 4th QRT comeback wins by a QB? - best 2 minute QB in the league? Look people - TT was not at his best yesterday. Get off the you guys are attacking TT for nothing soap box.
Kirby Jackson Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 The most inevitable thread ever. The Bills score 32 points and lose with the worst game plan in recent memory and it's the QB's fault. If a segment of the fanbase wasn't so butthurt that their guy didn't win the job we wouldn't have these conversations. He threw two balls high that were tipped picks. With a little luck those guys don't make diving catches and perception would be that he was great. Tyrod did plenty of good things yesterday once they took the cuffs off. If he would have been put in a better position to make plays in the 1st half the Bills may have actually won this game.
GG Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 @SalSports My Bills/Pats review: Arrow Up, Arrow Down, and The Big Picture: http://www.wgr550.com/Sal-s-Monday-Review-Arrow-Up-Arrow-Down/21983282 Tyrod Taylor’s decision-making Taylor wasn’t the same decisive, quick decision-maker Sunday that we saw in the preseason, or even in week one against the Indianapolis Colts. He often took too long to get rid of the ball, then having to twist and turn away from Patriots defenders, if he could even escape at all. Taylor also made the wrong decision on a few plays he could have ran but decided to throw it. Maybe he’s still trying to prove he can be a true passing QB in the NFL? Maybe he was just trying to make a big play? Several times there seemed to be quite a bit of real estate in front of Taylor, but he decided to throw while on the run instead. And that’s not easy to do, evidenced by his second interception - an overthrow intended for Sammy Watkins that sailed high over the receivers head when Taylor tried to make a throw on the run, even though there was still room to tuck it and go for more himself. This and moshewr's analysis are spot on. There were definitely positives to TT's game yesterday, but it was clear that he was flummoxed by the defense and wasn't decisive at all until the 4th quarter. I am too surprised that Roman didn't start calling rollout plays until the 4th quarter. The big test of course is to see how TT responds next week.
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 (edited) and because you guys hinted at it.. Had this been EJ you guys would be digging the post holes for his cross. Edited September 21, 2015 by BillsFan-4-Ever
PatsFanNH Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 The Patriots were able to dominate the Bills for three quarters in large part because Taylor was ineffective. They toyed with the Bills like a cat with a mouse in the fourth quarter. Going for it on 4th and 1 with a 3 TD lead was a slap in the face to the Bills, and a gift for the Bills when it failed. Taylor is good when he has lots of time and a receiver gets good separation. . I hateed both play calls on 4th down, and the second one they should have punted.. was plain stupid!
Dibs Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 So he should be benched in favor of ....? Yeah, that's what I thought. I'm not really sure what your point is here. Are you saying that you agree TT's play was unacceptable....but he is the best we've got?
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 The most inevitable thread ever. The Bills score 32 points and lose with the worst game plan in recent memory and it's the QB's fault. If a segment of the fanbase wasn't so butthurt that their guy didn't win the job we wouldn't have these conversations. He threw two balls high that were tipped picks. With a little luck those guys don't make diving catches and perception would be that he was great. Tyrod did plenty of good things yesterday once they took the cuffs off. If he would have been put in a better position to make plays in the 1st half the Bills may have actually won this game. funny.... where have I seen this before with another QB? JUST kidding Kirby. Relax bud.
Thurmal34 Posted September 21, 2015 Author Posted September 21, 2015 So he should be benched in favor of ....? Yeah, that's what I thought. I don't remember suggesting Taylor should be benched. I said he sucked. Can you link me to where I said he should be benched? Yeah, that's what I thought.
Charles Romes Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 When the game was put in his hands he put up 3 straight TDs. Let's wait a few weeks. He dioes not sense the rush that well and that me be his downfall.
1billsfan Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 (edited) The most inevitable thread ever. The Bills score 32 points and lose with the worst game plan in recent memory and it's the QB's fault. If a segment of the fanbase wasn't so butthurt that their guy didn't win the job we wouldn't have these conversations. He threw two balls high that were tipped picks. With a little luck those guys don't make diving catches and perception would be that he was great. Tyrod did plenty of good things yesterday once they took the cuffs off. If he would have been put in a better position to make plays in the 1st half the Bills may have actually won this game. Taylor did zip after the first drive until the Pats stopped playing for real in the fourth quarter. You and I both know that EJ Manuel will start again this year because Taylor is going to play his way back to the bench. The NFL is not built for small QBs who need throwing windows to see. It's built for big and tall QBs to see and hit their targets on time. Unfortunately, the only Bills QB that size and who did that this preseason wasn't even dressed for the game. Edited September 21, 2015 by 1billsfan
Kirby Jackson Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 funny.... where have I seen this before with another QB? JUST kidding Kirby. Relax bud. Ha ha, I'm not saying he was great but if you were to rank the reasons that this game went this way it would look like this:- Defensive Game Plan - Offensive Game Plan - Pass Defense - Pass Blocking - Penalties - Interceptions and indecisiveness (basically what Taylor did poorly)
Thurmal34 Posted September 21, 2015 Author Posted September 21, 2015 If a segment of the fanbase wasn't so butthurt that their guy didn't win the job we wouldn't have these conversations. You are good poster Kirby, but I'm embarrassed for you with this comment. Again I ask, what does Taylor's play yesterday have to do with any other QB on this roster? Why would you even bring that up? Pathetic.
Kirby Jackson Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 Taylor did zip after the first drive until the Pats stopped playing for real in the fourth quarter. You and I both know that EJ Manuel will start again this year because Taylor is going to play his way back to the bench. The NFL is not built for small QBs who need throwing windows to see. It's built for big and tall QBs to see and hit their targets and on time. Unfortunately, the only Bills QB that size and who did that this preseason wasn't even dressed for the game. I'd be willing to bet that. The only way someone else starts anytime soon is with an injury to Tyrod. He has done way too much well in his 1st 2 career starts. He wasn't perfect yesterday but did a lot well. He was great last week. He's not going to the bench anytime soon and if he does it will be a situation where they feel they need the "steady hand" of Cassel.
PatsFanNH Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 Taylor did zip after the first drive until the Pats stopped playing for real in the fourth quarter. You and I both know that EJ Manuel will start again this year because Taylor is going to play his way back to the bench. The NFL is not built for small QBs who need throwing windows to see. It's built for big and tall QBs to see and hit their targets and on time. Unfortunately, the only Bills QB that size and who did that this preseason wasn't even dressed for the game. What? Ok im not a bills fan but really? Manual in that game yesterday the score is 40-13 or worse because he throws a pick 6 under that pressure. EJ not terrible but the pressure the Pats had yesterday he would have gotten rattled.
GG Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 Ha ha, I'm not saying he was great but if you were to rank the reasons that this game went this way it would look like this: - Defensive Game Plan - Offensive Game Plan - Pass Defense - Pass Blocking - Penalties - Interceptions and indecisiveness (basically what Taylor did poorly) I'd reorder - Penalties - Put Bills in a hole early on and blew up the blueprint - Offensive Game Plan - Did very little to relieve pressure on TT until the 4th Q - Defensive Game Plan - Still scratching my head over this one, especially with how Jets' played vs NE.
1billsfan Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 I'd be willing to bet that. The only way someone else starts anytime soon is with an injury to Tyrod. He has done way too much well in his 1st 2 career starts. He wasn't perfect yesterday but did a lot well. He was great last week. He's not going to the bench anytime soon and if he does it will be a situation where they feel they need the "steady hand" of Cassel. You are in denial.
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