Captain Caveman Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sports/concussion-watch/new-87-deceased-nfl-players-test-positive-for-brain-disease/ This is not good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 It's definitely not surprising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 What's the rate of incidence they found in non-players? (They DO have a control for this study, right?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 What players have more? Linemen? Backs? Recovers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 I believe it was mentioned that they only tested players who believed that they had CTE as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Numbers interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted September 18, 2015 Author Share Posted September 18, 2015 I believe it was mentioned that they only tested players who believed that they had CTE as well. I would assume that it would be mostly players who suspect they had it who would volunteer for the survey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Goodell Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 What's the rate of incidence they found in non-players? (They DO have a control for this study, right?) I believe it was mentioned that they only tested players who believed that they had CTE as well. These are excellent points and highlight the need to interpret results from any such studies very carefully before jumping to conclusions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 So this place finally found somebody that they are saying did NOT have CTE?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 I believe it was mentioned that they only tested players who believed that they had CTE as well. That was going to be my second point. It's pretty much a sample self-selected for CTE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 What players have more? Linemen? Backs? Recovers? Well I would assume that if they've recovered they'd not have any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 what is the % of people with CTE who NEVER played football ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 What's the rate of incidence they found in non-players? (They DO have a control for this study, right?) my first thought, thanks That was going to be my second point. It's pretty much a sample self-selected for CTE. my second thought, thanks God, we think alike, we're like twinsies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 what is the % of people with CTE who NEVER played football ? It depends. In real life, pretty low. In the Watkins thread, I'm pretty sure it's pushing 90%. my first thought, thanks my second thought, thanks God, we think alike, we're like twinsies. Except only one of us had our hand up a cow's ass today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 what is the % of people with CTE who NEVER played football ? I would like to take guys like myself, who have lived pretty rough, played thru HS and that was it. See what we have and then get some panty-waist like Beerball and see how his brain fairs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 It depends. In real life, pretty low. In the Watkins thread, I'm pretty sure it's pushing 90%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 "...As such, many of the players who have donated their brains for testing suspected that they had the disease while still alive, leaving researchers with a skewed population to work with." While it's good that research is being done on the problem, the nature of the sample population is a concern. The researchers need to do some testing on the general population or even football players who did not exhibit the issues their test group did. Inflammatory headlines sell papers but don't provide much directional insight... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sports/concussion-watch/new-87-deceased-nfl-players-test-positive-for-brain-disease/ This is not good. It's not, but the context is important: as the article itself notes "As such, many of the players who have donated their brains for testing suspected that they had the disease while still alive, leaving researchers with a skewed population to work with." Unstated also, is the complicating factor that a number of former players have trouble adjusting to life outside football and self-medicate with booze and drugs, which may cloud the picture, and no one wants to talk about it for fear of the "blaming the victim" tag. To understand how prevalent this really is, one would really need to survey all living NFL football players, especially linemen, to determine how many have symptoms that seem to be associated with CTE. Then, examine brains from asymptomatic (however many there are) and symptomatic people. Does everyone who spends a few years bashing their head into another guy's midsection develop CTE? Does CTE develop without marked symptoms in some people? If so what makes them different? Understanding this would be hugely helpful and might expedite avoidance of the problem or suggest treatment, but in the current environment no one has the stomach to take this on. It would have to come from the NFLPA because the league isn't gonna touch it. The human organism is a complex thing. It's sort of like Alzheimers, if one examines the brains of people diagnosed with Alzheimers, one is likely to find the amyloid plaques and neurofibrullary tangles typical of the disease. But the formation of these is thought to precede the development of symptoms by years, and in some cases may develop without symptoms - it's hard to tell, because most people who pass away without particular mental symptoms want to be buried without having holes chopped in their skull. Or as we science geeks like to say, "Correlation is not Causation" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Football is a violent game. It's not surprising to hear that older players are having issues with CTE. Hopefully more players get access to various levels of treatment and they get out of the game without playing those last couple of years where extensive damage can occur. I remember listening to an interview with Kyle Turley talking about medical Marijuana helping out a lot of former players dealing with the pain of playing and with CTE symptoms. They also said other methods of treatment are becoming more available which is good, however the funding for former players treatments aren't at the levels where they should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Except only one of us had our hand up a cow's ass today. Hey, he is a professional nobody said he enjoys it. Well, maybe he does just a little bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts