LabattBlue Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 You actually can get much worse than Drew (remember 3-13 with RJ the year before Drew). 238440[/snapback] That team was gutted by the salary cap and cannot hold a candle to this one. The Bills may take a small step backward this year with JP, but they could just as easily win 10 games and make it in the playoffs. They will not drop down to 5 wins in 2005. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 All current NFL QB's per NFL.com...... What vet is avail that TD would want to backup JP? 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silvermike Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 You could have at least taken Bledsoe and Losman off that list.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 After barely missing the playoffs last season, the players don't want to take a step backwards. 238108[/snapback] Great find, Nod. The players may as well buckle up because we will, without question, take more than just 'a step' backwards. If Losman starts, we'll be fortunate to see four or five wins. The key will simply be: is he getting better? Unfortunately for fans, that won't matter either because 90% of the people begging for Drew to drop dead and Losman to take the reigns will be begging for Losman to drop dead and Travis Brown's sister to take the reigns once we're 1-5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 Great find, Nod. The players may as well buckle up because we will, without question, take more than just 'a step' backwards. If Losman starts, we'll be fortunate to see four or five wins. The key will simply be: is he getting better? Unfortunately for fans, that won't matter either because 90% of the people begging for Drew to drop dead and Losman to take the reigns will be begging for Losman to drop dead and Travis Brown's sister to take the reigns once we're 1-5. 238758[/snapback] C'mon LA....4 or 5 wins?? The defense, ST and surrounding cast on offense are just too good for the Bills to slip that far with JP under center. I am making this assumption based on the facts that either Jennings stays or is replaced by an experienced LT and we bring in a vet at LG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 Unfortunately for fans, that won't matter either because 90% of the people begging for Drew to drop dead and Losman to take the reigns will be begging for Losman to drop dead and Travis Brown's sister to take the reigns once we're 1-5. 238758[/snapback] IF JP starts off slow, the Bledsoe Apologists will be the one's calling for his head first, that's a given. Some of the Bledsoe bashers may follow suit...but if they do, I'm sure they'd rather see Travis Brown's sister at QB than Drew back again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 Great find, Nod. The players may as well buckle up because we will, without question, take more than just 'a step' backwards. If Losman starts, we'll be fortunate to see four or five wins. The key will simply be: is he getting better? Unfortunately for fans, that won't matter either because 90% of the people begging for Drew to drop dead and Losman to take the reigns will be begging for Losman to drop dead and Travis Brown's sister to take the reigns once we're 1-5. 238758[/snapback] 4 or 5 wins IF we didn't have Willis McGahee. But we do. Great defense, special teams and running game will translate to having Losman toss the rock at most 20 times a game. I see Willis McGahee leading the Bills to at least a 10-6 record. Getting rid of Drew is a huge step forward and I'm laughing at all of the hand ringing going on today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 I'm not trying to be obnoxious, I'm really not. But how much worse can you get at reading defenses and decision making than DB? 238143[/snapback] I am not trying to be obnoxious either, but I think that many here have way over stated Bledsoe's incompetance. I won't argue that Bledsoe is the best, but he is far from what he has painted as by ignorant observers...I hope to god that JP is ready, and that whoever is signed to back him up is half the QB Bledsoe is. The prospects certainly don't look good right now. Whatever we save by cutting him, will be spent on bringing in a journeymen QB, at best. I still don't quite understand what football, or business sense, cutting Bledso makes. It only seems to make sense from a PR standpoint. To me, missing the playoffs again makes less PR sense than cutting a player, who is under contract, to satiate bloodthirsty fans... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 IF JP starts off slow, the Bledsoe Apologists will be the one's calling for his head first, that's a given. Some of the Bledsoe bashers may follow suit...but if they do, I'm sure they'd rather see Travis Brown's sister at QB than Drew back again. 238775[/snapback] With a few exceptions, I don't think that any so called Bledsoe Apologists are under the impression that Bledsoe is the answer to all of our team needs, as much as the so-called Bledsoe bashers think that he is the cause of all the teams problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OGTEleven Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 I am not trying to be obnoxious either, but I think that many here have way over stated Bledsoe's incompetance. I won't argue that Bledsoe is the best, but he is far from what he has painted as by ignorant observers...I hope to god that JP is ready, and that whoever is signed to back him up is half the QB Bledsoe is. The prospects certainly don't look good right now. Whatever we save by cutting him, will be spent on bringing in a journeymen QB, at best. I still don't quite understand what football, or business sense, cutting Bledso makes. It only seems to make sense from a PR standpoint. To me, missing the playoffs again makes less PR sense than cutting a player, who is under contract, to satiate bloodthirsty fans... 238902[/snapback] I'm not really arguing to cut him but it seems he only wants to stay if he starts. Under those condtions he has to be cut. If he doesn't get his job as a starter he could/will be an expensive disruption. I like the guy and wish we could win with him. It won't happen. He is a bottleneck for our O. There are many things he simply cannot do. If he is a pouting backup (and expensive) he won't help either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 To me, missing the playoffs again makes less PR sense than cutting a player, who is under contract, to satiate bloodthirsty fans... 238902[/snapback] Whoa! They'd be cutting him because he was given ample oportunity to prove he is capable of performing up to expectations and he failed. It would be going on four years if they went with Drew again. That is when TD's competance would be severely questioned by not only fans here, but NFL people throughout the league. We've seen every QB fail since Jim Kelly and Drew is no different. Flutie, Johnson, Bledsoe all had thier flaws that guys like Belichick could easily capitalize on. Going to JP Losman is simply moving on. Seeing if the kid has the "right stuff" a la Brent Farve. Another year with Drew Bledsoe is what you'd wish on your worst enemy. We've seen what he could do for 3 years. We don't need another one to come to the realization he's not a good quarterback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 Going to JP Losman is simply moving on. 238966[/snapback] And if he doesn't pan out, it will be seen as moving in the wrong direction. I have no problem with making decisions and moving forward with them. But if this kid doesn't produce quickly, both he and TD will be esteemed right up with there with Todd Collins or Gary Marangi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 BLEDSOE MUST STAY! Let's face it no one wants the Bills to take another giant step backwards. Bledsoe looked great when the offensive game plan had him taking some deep shots, the payoff was well worth the occassional interception, and got Lee Evans involved (see the Seattle game.) With a slightly less conservative game plan (see the Pittsburgh game) and better protection Bledsoe is still the man. Dose anyone really doubt that Bledsoe was incapable of leading the Patriots like brady? If I had that kind of time in the pocket, I could play well enough not to lose in New england as well. 238422[/snapback] The Seattle game? You mean the game where Bledsoe threw three picks! You throw 3 ints against a real playoff caliber opponent and you LOSE! Way to buttress your argument! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 The Baltimore Ravens were 5-4 in 2003 before Kyle Boller(Rookie) went down with an injury.They had a great defense, and solid running game, as do we. If Losman can at least match what Kyle Boller did in 2003(6 TD, 9 INT 62.4 passer rating) we can be a playoff contendor in 2005. 238989[/snapback] God help us if JP is as bad as Boller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 And if he doesn't pan out, it will be seen as moving in the wrong direction. I have no problem with making decisions and moving forward with them. But if this kid doesn't produce quickly, both he and TD will be esteemed right up with there with Todd Collins or Gary Marangi. 238975[/snapback] None of us know what this kid can do. But many here, including me, think that going with Drew Bledsoe is about as wrong of a direction a team can go in. Losman was a first round draft choice and will be given every oportunity to succeed, including having a playoff caliber team surrounding him. If he fails than you could possibly say he's a bigger failure than Todd Collins. Because Tood was given a team that was well past it's expiration date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 Great find, Nod. The players may as well buckle up because we will, without question, take more than just 'a step' backwards. If Losman starts, we'll be fortunate to see four or five wins. The key will simply be: is he getting better? Unfortunately for fans, that won't matter either because 90% of the people begging for Drew to drop dead and Losman to take the reigns will be begging for Losman to drop dead and Travis Brown's sister to take the reigns once we're 1-5. 238758[/snapback] LA.... I just cannot agree with that. Now I have absolutely no proof to base that on......none of us do because Losman hasn't played meaningfull minutes, but I just dont see him as so much of a buffoon that he is going to take a team with our defense....our running game, our recievers, and our special teams and make so many mistakes that we cant win games. Perhaps folks are preparing for the worst but mind just wont think that way.......I dont think our mgt would allow Losman to take over after a 9-7 season unless they thought that our QB play was totally inept Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 but I just dont see him as so much of a buffoon that he is going to take a team with our defense....our running game, our recievers, and our special teams and make so many mistakes that we cant win games. 239065[/snapback] Actually, I agree with you (if you're talking about this past year's defense, receiving corp, running game, etc.)...but people who own pools are generally agreeable types. However... ...we have no idea 'next year' what our defense will be like...or our running game, or our receivers, or our special teams. We could lose most anyone at anytime, if not through FA, then by having them get hit by Milloy during the preseason. I want to see our roster for 2005 before I'm confident. Quite frankly, I've seen the last 10 minutes of JP's play, and unless we plan to hand the ball off every down, the first half of the season is going to be painful...especially because it'll take that long for him to simply adjust to the speed of the game, and to learn to make defensive reads. Are you looking forward to JP trying to figure out what's going on opposite him when we're playing the Pats? Me neither. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 Are you looking forward to JP trying to figure out what's going on opposite him when we're playing the Pats? Me neither. 239090[/snapback] The tough part of this is that the ONLY way we beat them is through the air. I foresee the Pats using 8 and 9 in the box to stop Willis. Malarky must attack where they are the weakest and that means connecting to Evans and Moulds for big plays. See Panthers and Eagles Superbowl passing success in the last two Superbowls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 Whoa! They'd be cutting him because he was given ample oportunity to prove he is capable of performing up to expectations and he failed. It would be going on four years if they went with Drew again. That is when TD's competance would be severely questioned by not only fans here, but NFL people throughout the league. We've seen every QB fail since Jim Kelly and Drew is no different. Flutie, Johnson, Bledsoe all had thier flaws that guys like Belichick could easily capitalize on. Going to JP Losman is simply moving on. Seeing if the kid has the "right stuff" a la Brent Farve. Another year with Drew Bledsoe is what you'd wish on your worst enemy. We've seen what he could do for 3 years. We don't need another one to come to the realization he's not a good quarterback. 238966[/snapback] I am not arguing that Bledsoe should be given the starting job, with no chance of losing it. What would it have hurt to let Bledsoe merely compete with Losman for the starting job, may the best man win? If you have followed Bledsoe at all, you would realize, despite his shortcomings, he is a team player. I seriously doubt that he would be a locker room cancer, should he lose the starting job. He might be pissed, but I doubt he would make a big stink about it. He has built his image on being a "good guy." Bledsoe is very PR conscious. I might feel different if there were some financial windfall to be gained by the Bills, but I just don't see it...seriously, with the money we are gaining under the cap, by cutting Bledsoe now, while still under contract, who better can we get, as an insurance policy, should Losman get injured? There are a few QB's out there, who right now as free agents I would take over Bledsoe, but none of those guys is going to want to come here, knowing that they are backing up a kid who has been, for all intents and purposes, has been annointed the starter for the forseeable future. I just think this whole thing is dumb. I know all signs are pointing toward Bledsoe being cut, but I am keeping my fingers crossed that someone at One Bills Drive will come to their senses.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 15, 2005 Share Posted February 15, 2005 Actually, I agree with you (if you're talking about this past year's defense, receiving corp, running game, etc.)...but people who own pools are generally agreeable types. However... ...we have no idea 'next year' what our defense will be like...or our running game, or our receivers, or our special teams. We could lose most anyone at anytime, if not through FA, then by having them get hit by Milloy during the preseason. I want to see our roster for 2005 before I'm confident. Quite frankly, I've seen the last 10 minutes of JP's play, and unless we plan to hand the ball off every down, the first half of the season is going to be painful...especially because it'll take that long for him to simply adjust to the speed of the game, and to learn to make defensive reads. Are you looking forward to JP trying to figure out what's going on opposite him when we're playing the Pats? Me neither. 239090[/snapback] Maybe I am being overly optomistic but I dont think this is the exact same team we will take into next season...... - I really dont think this is the O Line we will take into next season...except for the solid parts. I thought that Mike Williams finally got it together and Villy next to him was more then solid. I think Teague or Tucker is acceptable. I think we WILL go out and land a big free agent left guard and resign Jennings. I also think we will resign M. Price and use our 2nd round pick on another O Linemen. Despite the holes here and there I thought the O Line played "average" and will play much better then that this next year - What is missing out of the Line blocking/additonal offensive threat is Tight End...we NEED a difference making Tight End if we are going to have a rookie QB....he will help with protection and give Losman a safety blanket. - I think we resign Fat Pat......I think Josh Stamer gets even more playing time (I like Stamer) and I dont worry so much about Milloy because now we have Vincent back there. It would not suprise me to see an upgrade in our backup safeties. - One thing that I think it hinges on and I think it is a good gamble is we see the REAL Willis Magehee this next year. Trimmed down about 20 pounds, super explosive and fast. A 2K type multi purpose pro bowl back. I am extremely optomistic......because regardless of JPL's inexperience we now have a threat on the field when things "break down" In recent years....when things "break down" then the play was either basically a. Over b. A horrible car crash going the other way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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