Juice_32 Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 He plays RB like he's on defense. You can tell he has played defense. It is so fun to watch him run. He still has a long way to go as far as pass pro, vision, etc, but damn that kid looks to run someone over (even his own team) every time he has the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Man, this listen is great. I didn't expect him to say these things. No wonder the staff is so bullish on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xsoldier54 Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 This above everything else makes the McCoy - Alonso trade look worse in my eyes. Who would you rather have, McCoy or Kiko and Karlos? McCoy and Karlos and it ain't even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juice_32 Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Man, this listen is great. I didn't expect him to say these things. No wonder the staff is so bullish on him. Now I have to hear it. So much for getting anything done today... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Now I have to hear it. So much for getting anything done today... It's like 5 minutes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 This above everything else makes the McCoy - Alonso trade look worse in my eyes. Who would you rather have, McCoy or Kiko and Karlos? Or how about Bradham, McCoy and Karlos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elroy16 Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 He's a perfect change of pace back for McCoy. McCoy seems more patient, wait for the hole and go. Karlos sees a small hole and goes plowing through it. Karlos might be a better type of runner for games like yesterday where the defense is sending run blitzes and clogging the holes. That's when they need to get Shady in space (they did a few times yesterday) and let him run wild and then let Karlos hammer the run game up the middle. He does a great job of picking up 4-6 yards when it doesn't look like anything is there. Two things about Kiko, because it's getting old already. First, the Bills already have two 3-down linebackers who are very, very good. If Kiko's on the team, he, Bradham, or Brown aren't seeing many snaps. Second, that was a great pick last night, but the coverage was lacking. The WR was very open and even a decent pass and it's a TD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wooderson Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 This above everything else makes the McCoy - Alonso trade look worse in my eyes. Who would you rather have, McCoy or Kiko and Karlos? Besides that interception yesterday, Kiko was not very good. -3.6 PFF grade from last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Man, this listen is great. I didn't expect him to say these things. No wonder the staff is so bullish on him. I like that he realized he was late on a blitz pickup and said he's got to continue to get better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY315 Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Not once did I think about Kiko while I was watching Bradham and Brown wreak havoc. I'd make that trade 100× with what he have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 This above everything else makes the McCoy - Alonso trade look worse in my eyes. Who would you rather have, McCoy or Kiko and Karlos? Ill settle for McCoy and Karlos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 (edited) Late game punisher That's what I'm thinking too. When you want to score, you probably want Shady in there. Except maybe in short-yardage situations. When you want to eat some clock and the D knows it, a big power runner like KW helps. Edited September 15, 2015 by hondo in seattle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Anybody else see the title and think, "he's already a special player" because you were thinking of Kyle Williams? (raises hand) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Anybody else see the title and think, "he's already a special player" because you were thinking of Kyle Williams? Yessir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB3 Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Anybody else see the title and think, "he's already a special player" because you were thinking of Kyle Williams? Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobblehead Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 (edited) All I know is that if I was the GM, I would buy the Delorean with the flux capacitor so I could drive it up to 88 mph so I could go back in time and make the McCoy trade and the Williams draft again. Edited September 15, 2015 by bobblehead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 I'd rather we have what we have... Frankly Karlos wasn't a guarantee to be there, and he wasn't a guarantee to be successful (and still isn't). We had/have good 4-3 LB depth (imo), and needed some new legs at RB. I like what we did at the time, and I still like it. It all makes sense. I'm just a dummy, but I don't know where Kiko would fit in to this defense. I wouldn't want him in the middle. Happy with the trade when it happened & one game certainly doesn't change that. Very happy that the went with Karlos late in the game. That took some balls in his first game. If this keeps up we'll need to come up with a catchy nickname for that duo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsrhody Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 He's a perfect change of pace back for McCoy. McCoy seems more patient, wait for the hole and go. Karlos sees a small hole and goes plowing through it. Karlos might be a better type of runner for games like yesterday where the defense is sending run blitzes and clogging the holes. That's when they need to get Shady in space (they did a few times yesterday) and let him run wild and then let Karlos hammer the run game up the middle. He does a great job of picking up 4-6 yards when it doesn't look like anything is there. Two things about Kiko, because it's getting old already. First, the Bills already have two 3-down linebackers who are very, very good. If Kiko's on the team, he, Bradham, or Brown aren't seeing many snaps. Second, that was a great pick last night, but the coverage was lacking. The WR was very open and even a decent pass and it's a TD. Besides that interception yesterday, Kiko was not very good. -3.6 PFF grade from last night. Not once did I think about Kiko while I was watching Bradham and Brown wreak havoc. I'd make that trade 100× with what he have Thats fine, but it was also Kiko's first game back in over a year. You would expect an adjustment period while he gets back into it. I guess I subscribe to the school of thought that you shouldn't pay for running backs. If Kiko is on this team instead of McCoy then we have cap space to resign all of our guys. Even if we were to lose a guy like Bradham the loss wouldn't be devastating. Just because we have 2 good linebackers doesn't mean we couldn't use 3. If Kiko was on this team, I'd be that all 3 of those guys see more than 80% of the snaps on defense. Why can't they all be on the field at once? Bradham has shown the versatility to play in coverage and rush the passer. Brown is solid against the run and the pass. We all saw what Kiko can do in coverage. We would essentially be replacing Manny Lawson with Kiko, which would certainly be an upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 This above everything else makes the McCoy - Alonso trade look worse in my eyes. Who would you rather have, McCoy or Kiko and Karlos? there's always great RBs around we could have gotten a skat back to fill McCoy's role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Anybody else see the title and think, "he's already a special player" because you were thinking of Kyle Williams? Here. KW is Kyle Williams. Isn't KW the most senior Bills player? Have some respect for the fat man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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