Kelly the Dog Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 K-9, let's revisit this after next week. I have thought even before this game that the Patriots would have only one game of film on this Bills offense with TT and all of our guys, but that the second game we would have a completely different style than we did the first game. That remains to be seen. You could be right. I'm counting on Roman being pretty smart. I have thought since the spring that he was the biggest change and upgrade of them all.
Freddie's Dead Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 K-9, let's revisit this after next week. I have thought even before this game that the Patriots would have only one game of film on this Bills offense with TT and all of our guys, but that the second game we would have a completely different style than we did the first game. That remains to be seen. You could be right. I'm counting on Roman being pretty smart. I have thought since the spring that he was the biggest change and upgrade of them all. Good purnt. Roman turtling and messing with Belicheat? We're simply not used to thinking of our coaches in those terms.
The Big Cat Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 K-9, let's revisit this after next week. I have thought even before this game that the Patriots would have only one game of film on this Bills offense with TT and all of our guys, but that the second game we would have a completely different style than we did the first game. That remains to be seen. You could be right. I'm counting on Roman being pretty smart. I have thought since the spring that he was the biggest change and upgrade of them all. Good purnt. Roman turtling and messing with Belicheat? We're simply not used to thinking of our coaches in those terms. There is virtually no other explanation for the complete absence of short throws to Watkins.
K-9 Posted September 14, 2015 Author Posted September 14, 2015 K-9, let's revisit this after next week. I have thought even before this game that the Patriots would have only one game of film on this Bills offense with TT and all of our guys, but that the second game we would have a completely different style than we did the first game. That remains to be seen. You could be right. I'm counting on Roman being pretty smart. I have thought since the spring that he was the biggest change and upgrade of them all. Roman is a brilliant OC, he's proven that time and again in both the college and pro ranks. I don't question his bona fides at all. I just disagreed with his philosophy today. I fully expect him to show things NE**** hasn't seen before, too. GO BILLS!!!
NoSaint Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 (edited) It was time to grind out a few first downs on the ground, and Cordy had 2 holding calls on back to back series making it a 20 yard first down. Not going to happen very often on the ground. That's not on the OC, it's on the LT.The alternative philosophy, and there are arguments for either: If you want to burn time- don't shut down your offense and continue to convert first downs with a full playbook. Agreed. Reminded me of the Jets games last year.I was going to mention my own frustration after that one. I don't feel near as frustrated today (not frustrated at all really) but get how K9 would have some of those same sentiments. I'm at least hanging my hat on seeing a lot of talent and some creativity, unlike that day offensively where it was scoring despite deficiencies all over the place Edited September 14, 2015 by NoSaint
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 Glad we won and all, but Roman neutered our offense most of the afternoon. Got the impression he didn't have confidence in Taylor nor was I impressed with his schematic designs. Got way too conservative way too early. No excuse for not targeting Sammy more than one or two times as well. Glad our defense rose to the occasion because, based on one game, I'm not sure Roman can go out and win a game with the mentality he showed today. GO BILLS!!! The players lost intensity, looked like they were doing a walk through once they got to 24, didn't help that refs were trying to keep them in the game
Kelly the Dog Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 The alternative philosophy, and there are arguments for either: If you want to burn time- don't shut down your offense and continue to convert first downs with a full playbook. I was going to mention my own frustration after that one. I don't feel near as frustrated today (not frustrated at all really) but get how K9 would have some of those same sentiments. I'm at least hanging my hat on seeing a lot of talent and some creativity, unlike that day offensively where it was scoring despite deficiencies all over the place I guess my issue is that it drives me crazy when an offense is clicking and then way too early they go into a shell, and it lets the other team into the game, especially because it stops your momentum. In this case, however, we were playing conservative the entire game and choosing our shots to go downfield. The TD was (IIRC) the only long pass of the game outside of the fairly long pass to Watkins which was after the OP thought we started getting conservative. I didn't think we went into a shell or changed our philosophy ALL that much even when it was 24-0. We were pretty conservative the entire game, and a few times when it was, say, 3rd and long, the guys I watch the games with were saying, okay lets get 6 yards and kick a FG.
FireChan Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 The alternative philosophy, and there are arguments for either: If you want to burn time- don't shut down your offense and continue to convert first downs with a full playbook. I was going to mention my own frustration after that one. I don't feel near as frustrated today (not frustrated at all really) but get how K9 would have some of those same sentiments. I'm at least hanging my hat on seeing a lot of talent and some creativity, unlike that day offensively where it was scoring despite deficiencies all over the place I actually agreed with the approach in both cases. K-9 makes some good points about confidence and stepping on the throat, but I think getting out of there showing as little of the playbook as possible has its own merits. Makes for a little more boring game, but we don't have a Brady where running up the score doesn't have negatives.
Robert James Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 Wow. I really disagree. Sammy becomes a problem only if the offense is being stymied, which they weren't. I never knew of we were going to run or pass. We had no turnovers. He didn't ask Taylor to do too much and yet wasn't overly conservative. He spread the ball around. He used three RB and six receivers. We averaged 6.2 yards a play. Good point and very refreshing after Marrone and Hackett.
bobobonators Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 Glad we won and all, but Roman neutered our offense most of the afternoon. Got the impression he didn't have confidence in Taylor nor was I impressed with his schematic designs. Got way too conservative way too early. No excuse for not targeting Sammy more than one or two times as well. Glad our defense rose to the occasion because, based on one game, I'm not sure Roman can go out and win a game with the mentality he showed today. GO BILLS!!! This is what happens when you value your fantasy league more than your actual team. Coming here and having to read this post after such a standout win is embarrassing.
billsfan_34 Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 36 rushes / 19 passes keeps luck off field.^this^ its exactly what any student of the game asks for in this type of game
NoSaint Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 I guess my issue is that it drives me crazy when an offense is clicking and then way too early they go into a shell, and it lets the other team into the game, especially because it stops your momentum. In this case, however, we were playing conservative the entire game and choosing our shots to go downfield. The TD was (IIRC) the only long pass of the game outside of the fairly long pass to Watkins which was after the OP thought we started getting conservative. I didn't think we went into a shell or changed our philosophy ALL that much even when it was 24-0. We were pretty conservative the entire game, and a few times when it was, say, 3rd and long, the guys I watch the games with were saying, okay lets get 6 yards and kick a FG. I hear you. Until the harvin throw did any go more than 5 yards downfield? The score into and out of halftime is always a huge swing and we got it today. Made for a day without a lot of pressure. I'm happy with the performance, but willing to have the talks about next steps. Very curious to see how things will format next week,
Kelly the Dog Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 This is what happens when you value your fantasy league more than your actual team. Coming here and having to read this post after such a standout win is embarrassing. Actually, making that accusation about the OP, K-9, is what is embarrassing. Really embarrassing.
TheFunPolice Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 They will go back to that opening play at some point with a different call. As to the game, confidence is built through success. Roman is building these guys up and will add things as needed. At the end of the day, his game plan got it done against a Super Bowl favorite.
JTO Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 It's called game planning. Glad we won and all, but Roman neutered our offense most of the afternoon. Got the impression he didn't have confidence in Taylor nor was I impressed with his schematic designs. Got way too conservative way too early. No excuse for not targeting Sammy more than one or two times as well. Glad our defense rose to the occasion because, based on one game, I'm not sure Roman can go out and win a game with the mentality he showed today. GO BILLS!!!
Formerly Allan in MD Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 Glad we won and all, but Roman neutered our offense most of the afternoon. Got the impression he didn't have confidence in Taylor nor was I impressed with his schematic designs. Got way too conservative way too early. No excuse for not targeting Sammy more than one or two times as well. Glad our defense rose to the occasion because, based on one game, I'm not sure Roman can go out and win a game with the mentality he showed today. GO BILLS!!! It's called going into a shell with a decent lead. It happens in many other sports, especially hockey. It's not necessarily wise but to say that Roman didn't have confidence in Taylor is ridiculous. He certainly had confidence in him while he was building the lead.
Saxum Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 My largest complaint was that if you took out the long runs by McCoy and Williams, our yards per carry were right around or under 2. Also with 3 turnovers we basically tied ToP. Obviously this is linked to above and being able to run the ball consistently. If you take out common sense that makes sense!
SmokinES3 Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 Good purnt. Roman turtling and messing with Belicheat? We're simply not used to thinking of our coaches in those terms. This is a great point. We just haven't had that level of coaching here in a long time. Keeping Luck off the field was the staff's #1 priority, and it worked well.
hondo in seattle Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 27 points scored by the offense is always a good day. When Jimbo ran the K-Gun, we averaged about 27 to 30 points per game. But I think it's fair to say Roman has to figure out how to get better productivity from Shady. What was he? 17 carries for 41 yards?
Kelly the Dog Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 It's called going into a shell with a decent lead. It happens in many other sports, especially hockey. It's not necessarily wise but to say that Roman didn't have confidence in Taylor is ridiculous. He certainly had confidence in him while he was building the lead. I don't agree with K-9 on this particular day, but I totally agree that it is a big flaw when an OC becomes overly conservative way too early. If it happens again soon then yes it could be a concern. I don't think he made a mistake this game like K-9 thinks. But it's just an opinion.
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