ricojes Posted September 11, 2015 Posted September 11, 2015 (edited) 9. What's with that goal line shift that Roeth was so hot about? I hope we're ready for that kind of trickery. http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/ben-roethlisberger--steelers--upset--about-patriots--defensive-formations-125657675.html "They time it up in the cadence," Foster told USA TODAY Sports, smiling and shaking his head. "Yeah, that’s one of the things they do. Welcome to Foxborough." Edited September 11, 2015 by ricojes
BuffaloHokie13 Posted September 11, 2015 Posted September 11, 2015 9. What's with that goal line shift that Roeth was so hot about? I hope we're ready for that kind of trickery. The D Linemen shouted 'shift' in rhythm with Ben's cadence, which in turn caused half of Ben's line to start the play.
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted September 11, 2015 Posted September 11, 2015 Graham gets Gronk, Gilmore/Edelman, Darby/Amendola, Bradham gets Lewis out of backfield. The extra safety likely Duke will shade to Gronk. Preston will mix it up by blitzing, coverage. Other than that, the front has to pressure and knock down some passes to the outside.
aristocrat Posted September 11, 2015 Posted September 11, 2015 So go to a quick snap and catch them trying to shift. If they knew it was coming just screw with them back. It's like BB is out there playing chess and these other coaches are playing hopscotch. Didn't rex do something a couple years ago where he told the ref to watch for the pats doing something and the refs called them on it?
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 11, 2015 Author Posted September 11, 2015 http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/ben-roethlisberger--steelers--upset--about-patriots--defensive-formations-125657675.html "They time it up in the cadence," Foster told USA TODAY Sports, smiling and shaking his head. "Yeah, that’s one of the things they do. Welcome to Foxborough." The point being, he admits they knew the Pats would do that goal-line defensive unit shift, and yet they didn't prepare by making sure their players (*cough* Roeth *cough*) understood the rules and were ready to counter it. They should have had a play ready to exploit it. I will be upset if we aren't better prepared. It's legal, and it's the sort of boundry-pushing that Belichel adores - finding loopholes that are quite legal within the rules and arguably against their spirit.
aristocrat Posted September 11, 2015 Posted September 11, 2015 http://nypost.com/2013/10/21/did-jets-tip-off-refs-to-patriots-push/ found it. Pats were pushing players up to try and block fg's.
bisonbrigade Posted September 11, 2015 Posted September 11, 2015 1. The Steelers defense is terrible, remember Bills preseason game, two in completions? 2. If you know that your defense is bad and you have a questionable kicker, why are you kicking field goals? You are not beating NE with FG's. 3. New England's defense was bad to, Williams ran all over them, what will shady do? 4. What a shocker that there was a problem with the Steelers headsets, what a fluky coincidence.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 11, 2015 Author Posted September 11, 2015 The D Linemen shouted 'shift' in rhythm with Ben's cadence, which in turn caused half of Ben's line to start the play. Did they actually shout? According to my understanding, if they actually shouted, that WOULD be illegal. "there's no rule against disrupting a team's cadence with a defensive line shift, so long as it doesn't involve "words or signals."
mannc Posted September 11, 2015 Posted September 11, 2015 I somewhat agree. The first drive the Steelers were moving the ball at will on the Pats. A score there would've set the tone for the game and shut up the crowd a bit. Instead that gimmick play just fired up the crowd and the Pats even more. The missed FG as a result of that botched gimmick play was just the icing on the cake. All downhill after that, really. The tone was set. And don't forget, Pittsburgh was without 2 of its 3 top playmakers (Bryant and Bell).
BuffaloHokie13 Posted September 11, 2015 Posted September 11, 2015 Did they actually shout? According to my understanding, if they actually shouted, that WOULD be illegal. "there's no rule against disrupting a team's cadence with a defensive line shift, so long as it doesn't involve "words or signals." If you can watch a replay of the game, read Ben's lips to the refs. He clearly states "They said shift!" over and over, but the refs didn't want to hear it.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 11, 2015 Author Posted September 11, 2015 1. The Steelers defense is terrible, remember Bills preseason game, two in completions? 2. If you know that your defense is bad and you have a questionable kicker, why are you kicking field goals? You are not beating NE with FG's. 3. New England's defense was bad to, Williams ran all over them, what will shady do? 4. What a shocker that there was a problem with the Steelers headsets, what a fluky coincidence. _______________________________________________________^____________________ ^that resulted in the Patriots Radio Broadcast of the game blaring into them If you can watch a replay of the game, read Ben's lips to the refs. He clearly states "They said shift!" over and over, but the refs didn't want to hear it. OK, he didn't recap that in his post-game presser. Any idea why? I don't read lips well enough to tell the difference between something like "they said shift!" or "they all shift!" or whatever So go to a quick snap and catch them trying to shift. If they knew it was coming just screw with them back. It's like BB is out there playing chess and these other coaches are playing hopscotch. Didn't rex do something a couple years ago where he told the ref to watch for the pats doing something and the refs called them on it? This
dave mcbride Posted September 11, 2015 Posted September 11, 2015 Watching the Steelers last night reminded me A LOT of the Jauron-era Bills. No fire, soft defense, bad mistakes, horrible clock management... I didn't see anything from the Patriots*** that looked "great". Much more of the Steelers shooting themselves in the foot. Gronk is hard enough to stop when you actually put a guy or two on him. Leaving him completely uncovered, multiple times, is a recipe for a big loss. The key will be doing whatever it takes to stop Gronk and Edleman, and let them try to beat us with Chandler and Amendola. The ultimate solution is getting to Brady early and often. Can't wait to face them next week, but Colts first! I certainly thought Brady looked great last night. He played lights out.
dpberr Posted September 11, 2015 Posted September 11, 2015 I've never understood why teams don't give the Patriots the "Patriots Way" right back at them.
billsfan1959 Posted September 11, 2015 Posted September 11, 2015 (edited) Neither defense was impressive to say the least. The Steeler offense put up over 450 yards of offense, even without a few key players, and could have put up 30 points or so had they not killed themselves. Once they are back to a full complement of offensive players and they correct their mistakes, they will be very tough to stop offensively. However, their defense is so bad that they may end up around .500. The Patriots will be contending for a playoff spot because Brady is still one of the top QBs in the game and he still has, arguably, one of the best tight ends to ever play. They will make their plays. Their defense is certainly suspect; however, Belicheat usually manages to get the most out of the defensive players he has. This week we play the Colts and first things first. With that said, I am really looking forward to next week. Ryan has one of the best defenses in the league and he has historically made things tough for Brady - even in most of the losses - with less talent. It will be interesting to see. I am one of those that wanted Brady to play. If we are going to be a legitimate contender, then we have to beat the best players/teams. I also have a lot of faith in Roman. As one poster stated earlier: It sometimes feels like Bellicheat is playing chess while his opponent is playing hopscotch/checkers/etc. I actually believe Roman is up for the chess game. Here's hoping... Edited September 11, 2015 by billsfan1959
Rockinon Posted September 11, 2015 Posted September 11, 2015 If Pittsburgh can have a game this close, we will destroy NE. NE has too many weaknesses. This game was two bad teams beating up on each other. NE came out on top. So what!
Wayne Cubed Posted September 11, 2015 Posted September 11, 2015 I certainly thought Brady looked great last night. He played lights out. I wouldn't say "great". He looked good but he had a lot of guys wide open. Speaking of, he missed a wide open Amendola. He let a lot of his playmakers, Gronk, do the work and the Steelers did a horrible job up front. 3 rookie OL and they had no answer up the middle. The only way they brought pressure was with a blitz.
DrDawkinstein Posted September 11, 2015 Posted September 11, 2015 Those picks his TEs and WRs set helps with his quick decision making It's brutal. I was not surprised to see the Patriots still cheating even after the offseason they had. Blatant picks, coaches headsets going out... Same ol Pats. I've never understood why teams don't give the Patriots the "Patriots Way" right back at them. Because other teams arent allowed to play the "Patriot Way". They would get called for the WR picks, the DL shouting, the holding, etc. I certainly thought Brady looked great last night. He played lights out. I expect Brady to be able to hit players that dont have anyone covering them. He's ridiculously accurate, I'll give him that. But Pitt's D made it REAL easy for him. He didnt do anything that EJ and even Simms couldnt do against the Steelers.
dave mcbride Posted September 11, 2015 Posted September 11, 2015 I wouldn't say "great". He looked good but he had a lot of guys wide open. Speaking of, he missed a wide open Amendola. He let a lot of his playmakers, Gronk, do the work and the Steelers did a horrible job up front. 3 rookie OL and they had no answer up the middle. The only way they brought pressure was with a blitz. They looked so open because he dissects defenses so quickly and can find the open guy almost all of the time. Also, if you throw it 32 times, you're gonna have some incompletions. He was great. He looked as good as ever. Sad but true.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted September 11, 2015 Posted September 11, 2015 They looked so open because he dissects defenses so quickly and can find the open guy almost all of the time. Also, if you throw it 32 times, you're gonna have some incompletions. He was great. He looked as good as ever. Sad but true. Most of them looked open because nobody was covering them, or it was an ILB covering Gronk/Chandler
BuffaloBill Posted September 11, 2015 Posted September 11, 2015 This. So much of this. This can't be repeated enough. I never thought I'd hate a team more than Miami. But I do. I feel dirty even saying it as a child of the 70s. But I do. I am not there yet but quickly gaining ground. One thing I love about Rex is that he hates the cheatriots.
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