YoloinOhio Posted September 11, 2015 Posted September 11, 2015 @SalSports: Here's video of Tomlin after the game. I've never seen him this upset over non-field stuff. And he didn't back down: https://t.co/dnXxmT0kCc
Chuck Wagon Posted September 11, 2015 Posted September 11, 2015 (edited) Michaels was blowing Robert Kraft. It's embarrassing. Nobody begrudges Russell Wilson and others for their success Plenty of people hate the Seahawks for their brash, arrogant behavior. People hated the Raiders (also cheaters) and the Cowboys when they were great. If we start winning, other fans will hate Rex's bravado. People hate the Pats because they win and it's magnified by the cheating, if they were the Browns and pulling all these bush league stunts while going 5-11 every year they'd simply be a laughingstock. Edited September 11, 2015 by Chuck Wagon
stevewin Posted September 11, 2015 Posted September 11, 2015 There's no doubt they are doing stuff just to get (more) into opponent's heads. At this point they can just be dicks within the rules and it will affect the opponent much more than just normal people being dicks. Someone hit on what I think is the key thing to the whole headset thing. Even if it was just the first part of the game, if you prepared for the first quarter as if there would be no headset, and the opponent comes in and it goes away - it is not just the loss of communication for the opponent. It's the distraction of trying to coach a game and the "WTF is going on" factor through all of it. THEN add in outrage "These f'ing cheaters are at it again!" - all while you're trying to concentrate on actually coaching (which you now can't give all your attention to) - it is a huge advantage. The Pitt D didn't look like they kew what the hell was going on the while first Q.
Blokestradamus Posted September 11, 2015 Posted September 11, 2015 (edited) Maybe we're looking at this all wrong. Bear with me. The NFL controls the headsets, the NFL is pissed off at the Patriots. Maybe they hijacked it to create another cheating controversy knowing that nobody would question it. The court of public opinion (outside of Boston) has already hung, drawn and quartered Kraft & Co. I'll see myself out. Edited September 11, 2015 by Blokestradamus
Chuck Wagon Posted September 11, 2015 Posted September 11, 2015 The Pitt D didn't look like they kew what the hell was going on the while first Q. Well they also didn't look like they knew what was going on when we played them with all of our RBs/WRs out.
PromoTheRobot Posted September 11, 2015 Posted September 11, 2015 Genuine question - does Brady still deserve to go in the Hall of Fame? If the only thing on Brady was PEDs he wouldn't get in. But cheating?
HamSandwhich Posted September 11, 2015 Posted September 11, 2015 When the headsets became an issue last night I immediately thought of this
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 11, 2015 Posted September 11, 2015 Comment during tonight's game was success breeds contempt. Well no.. Nobody hated the packers with Favre or now with Rogers. People hate the Patriots and Brady because they are cheaters. They have proven again and again they cheat. Note the radio broadcasts into the Steelers headsets. They don't care about honor of winning fairly, and know when caught - it doesn't matter. They have been caught numerous times. That is why there is such vile hatred of the cheatriots. And now the league including Godell are shown to be laughing stocks. Just a bunch of spoiled brats and millionaire owners engaged in bilking the public as a fair and honorable game, where every team and player has a chance - NOT! Feels as slimy as a Las Vegas slot machine. I agree with you completely. It has nothing to do with winning, and everything to do with the fact that the Patriots have a pattern of winning by skirting, circumventing, or outright breaking the rules. Did you get the crowd chants "Where is Roger?" That had to have been led by the stadium IMHO. Maybe we're looking at this all wrong. Bear with me. The NFL controls the headsets, the NFL is pissed off at the Patriots. Maybe they hijacked it toThe create another cheating controversy knowing that nobody would question it. The problem was announced due to "Stadium Infrastructure". Who controls that?
DallasBillsFan1 Posted September 11, 2015 Posted September 11, 2015 I don't know ... the Pats (hate to admit it) looked really, really good last night. Didn't miss a beat from the Super Bowl. Chandler was a good pick up. They execute almost flawlessly. Must be nice to have a franchise QB ... everything else falls in place.
PromoTheRobot Posted September 11, 2015 Posted September 11, 2015 I agree with you completely. It has nothing to do with winning, and everything to do with the fact that the Patriots have a pattern of winning by skirting, circumventing, or outright breaking the rules. Did you get the crowd chants "Where is Roger?" That had to have been led by the stadium IMHO. Goodell needs to be fired and replaced with a commissioner with a backbone, a copy of the rule book and the will to enforce it.
4merper4mer Posted September 11, 2015 Posted September 11, 2015 I have no informed opinion on whether they did this crap with the headsets last night. I do tend to believe the accusations from the past. I have very little doubt that the cheating crap goes all the way to Kraft and that the Pats* will have a just rub the cheating in their face attitude in 2015. I NEVER trusted him through all of that Jon Bon Jersey buying the Bills and moving them series of episodes. He gave lip service to wanting the Bills to stay in Buffalo but it was all BS. His actions pointed in the other direction. Ralph snookered him and the Jones' of the world. As great as Pegula appears to be for Buffalo and it is a Godsend, we should never forget what Ralph probably had to do behind the scenes to make sure the Bills stayed here. All this bluster about Kraft's brilliance is a load. His wife's money bought that team and he is a kiss up boozehound who hit the motherlode. Big deal. Dime a dozen. There would not have even been a team to buy if Ralph hadn't saved it to begin with. He has much more respect for his bottle of bourbon than he does for other people's contributions to the empire he is currently milking and cheapening. Kraft's problem is not Goodell. He can trample him like we are seeing play out before our eyes. His problem will end up being the other owners.....the ones with class and tenure....a bit of a dying breed. Most specifically I am talking about the Rooney's and the Mara's. If Rooney's team allowed that descriptive write up of the headset fiasco on the team web site it certainly could be a mechanism to put Kraft on notice that while he may have Goodell by the short ones, there are more people than Goodell he has fighting him.
Blokestradamus Posted September 11, 2015 Posted September 11, 2015 The problem was announced due to "Stadium Infrastructure". Who controls that? I couldn't possibly tell you. 6 days of the week, I'd say the Patriots. I don't know who does what when it comes to gameday.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted September 11, 2015 Posted September 11, 2015 The problem was announced due to "Stadium Infrastructure". Who controls that? Maybe Goodell should be hounding the Pats* to build a new facility instead of the Bills. At least the Ralph has the infrastructure to sustain the league's communication devices...
birdog1960 Posted September 11, 2015 Posted September 11, 2015 if ever there were an example of bad karma it's putin stealing kraft's superbowl ring. there's no honor among thieves.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 11, 2015 Posted September 11, 2015 Plenty of people hate the Seahawks for their brash, arrogant behavior. People hated the Raiders (also cheaters) and the Cowboys when they were great. If we start winning, other fans will hate Rex's bravado. People hate the Pats because they win and it's magnified by the cheating, if they were the Browns and pulling all these bush league stunts while going 5-11 every year they'd simply be a laughingstock. I guess the point I'd make is what you express: "it's magnified by the cheating". People don't hate the arrogant, brash Seahawks or the Cowboys (in "America's Team" days) the same way. You're right, success will always build a certain amount of hate, but it's not the same depth and breadth of what I feel. Before the cheating came out, I felt the same way about the Patriots***, hate mixed with admiration and awe. Now that the extent of their rule skirting, breaking, and outright cheating has come out, all I can tell you is the quality of my Pats*** hate has changed. And it's a shame, in a way, because I truly believe they could win without it. People hated the Raiders because they were dirty.
Iraq Vet Posted September 11, 2015 Posted September 11, 2015 (edited) It is simple math. Cheat and win, you get huge money, sponsorships. I think Kraft and the Patriots realized winning makes you silly amounts of money. BILLIONS over the last 15 years... Patriots sell seats and sell out games, they have sponsors fighting over deals with the Patriots. They have no money issues. So, what is a few million in fines and draft picks when caught? Patriots just see the fines and draft picks as the cost of doing business. It is that simple. Besides I am sure Kraft deducts the fines from his taxes. It is a joke. Patriots need to be banned from an entire draft class and docked $10 million from the Cap. That is the only way to stop them. The sad thing is someone who knows will talk one day.... it will turn the NFL into WWE or Boxing... a joke.... a corrupt joke. Edited September 11, 2015 by Iraq Vet
peterpan Posted September 11, 2015 Posted September 11, 2015 I started a thread on boycotting Pats*** games. It got closed for some reason, Im not sure why. But you guys should just never watch a Pats **** game again. its awful watching them cheat their way down the field throwing flat passes while the announcers S their Ds
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted September 11, 2015 Posted September 11, 2015 It is simple math. Cheat and win, you get huge money, sponsorships. I think Kraft and the Patriots realized winning makes you silly amounts of money. BILLIONS over the last 15 years... Patriots sell seats and sell out games, they have sponsors fighting over deals with the Patriots. They have no money issues. So, what is a few million in fines and draft picks when caught? Patriots just see the fines and draft picks as the cost of doing business. It is that simple. Besides I am sure Kraft deducts the fines from his taxes. It is a joke. Patriots need to be banned from an entire draft class and docked $10 million from the Cap. That is the only way to stop them. The sad thing is someone who knows will talk one day.... it will turn the NFL into WWE or Boxing... a joke.... a corrupt joke. I don't have a problem with what you said. But, the NFL is probably at least as bad as the Patriots when it comes to corruption, money and ME first attitudes!
Captain Hindsight Posted September 11, 2015 Posted September 11, 2015 Its hard to watch them each week and wonder how they are screwing with everyone. There's just so much doubt to that team and how they do things, I really feel cheated every time. Brady and Belicheat are probably so good at what they do they don't even have to cheat. But they are continually caught and now they are just rubbing everyone's nose in it. The radio thing last night was Kraft trolling the league. I have absolutely no doubt about that
Dorkington Posted September 11, 2015 Posted September 11, 2015 The problem was announced due to "Stadium Infrastructure". Who controls that? Crazy that they've had the same infrastructure problems for 15 years. You'd think with all that playoff money they could invest in some more reliable tech.
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