hmsmystic Posted September 10, 2015 Posted September 10, 2015 I don't understand the question of why TT is ranked so much lower than the two rookie first rounders. In lieu of actually NFL game experience, the main criteria to evaluate them is probably their college careers and physical skills (i.e. height). In this case, TT, a former late round pick gets slotted behind the first rounders until he proves otherwise. Also, it's certainly more desirable to have a first round rookie aged 21/22 than a 5th year backup aged 26, as your unknown starter all things being equal. Just more potential upside.
The Dean Posted September 10, 2015 Posted September 10, 2015 I don't understand the question of why TT is ranked so much lower than the two rookie first rounders. In lieu of actually NFL game experience, the main criteria to evaluate them is probably their college careers and physical skills (i.e. height). In this case, TT, a former late round pick gets slotted behind the first rounders until he proves otherwise. Also, it's certainly more desirable to have a first round rookie aged 21/22 than a 5th year backup aged 26, as your unknown starter all things being equal. Just more potential upside. However, if you were to rank them on how ready they are NOW, you'd probably side with a guy who has had several training camps, time behind a quality NFL starter and some NFL gameday experience. Right? But, seriously, who gives a damn where these idiots rank the QBs?
PromoTheRobot Posted September 10, 2015 Author Posted September 10, 2015 I don't understand the question of why TT is ranked so much lower than the two rookie first rounders. In lieu of actually NFL game experience, the main criteria to evaluate them is probably their college careers and physical skills (i.e. height). In this case, TT, a former late round pick gets slotted behind the first rounders until he proves otherwise. Also, it's certainly more desirable to have a first round rookie aged 21/22 than a 5th year backup aged 26, as your unknown starter all things being equal. Just more potential upside. Can't agree with you on this. Why is NFL experience a negative? If anything a young guy has a longer learning curve. Few if any college QBs can just step onto an NFL field and play at a high level.
Formerly Allan in MD Posted September 10, 2015 Posted September 10, 2015 Why should he be rated any higher since he's done nothing thus far and was a low draft choice to boot. Time, however, to prove everyone wrong.
BobChalmers Posted September 10, 2015 Posted September 10, 2015 If you weren't a Bills fan, would you really think the #1 overall pick was worse than Tyrod? Yeah - if I'd looked at any preseason games, I absolutely would.
NoSaint Posted September 10, 2015 Posted September 10, 2015 Can't agree with you on this. Why is NFL experience a negative? If anything a young guy has a longer learning curve. Few if any college QBs can just step onto an NFL field and play at a high level. Few step on after 4 years and make that jump either. I'll take a number 1 pick over a 6th rounder with no tape any time, if betting. Doesn't mean I always win but it's probably the better odds.
FireChan Posted September 10, 2015 Posted September 10, 2015 Few step on after 4 years and make that jump either. I'll take a number 1 pick over a 6th rounder with no tape any time, if betting. Doesn't mean I always win but it's probably the better odds. Biiiiiiiiingo.
26CornerBlitz Posted September 10, 2015 Posted September 10, 2015 SI's Don Banks: New to the job - Ranking new starting QBs and their potential for success 3. Tyrod Taylor, BuffaloWith his zero career starts and just 35 pass attempts in four NFL seasons (all spent behind Joe Flacco in Baltimore), Taylor is easily the riskiest pick among the nine new starting quarterbacks. But the Bills went with him over the more experienced Matt Cassel and EJ Manuel because they’re focused on the potential reward. They see in Taylor a gifted athlete who can make creative plays outside the pocket and challenge a defense with his legs in ways Cassel and Manuel can’t. But if the Bills think they have the next Russell Wilson on their hands, they’re probably setting themselves up for a letdown. The defense and running game components in Buffalo might match Seattle’s blueprint, but we have no way of knowing yet if Taylor can take care of the football and make the necessary critical third down conversions when they arise.What’s on the way? Some thrills and highlight reel plays from Taylor, but some killer mistakes, too. Buffalo will keep Cassel loose in the bullpen at all times.
Kirby Jackson Posted September 10, 2015 Posted September 10, 2015 SI's Don Banks: New to the job - Ranking new starting QBs and their potential for success No offense 26 but why is that part bolded? RW is a top 7 QB. I don't think that ANYONE is expecting that.
Talley56 Posted September 10, 2015 Posted September 10, 2015 If it makes anyone feel better, I'm currently deep in a Twitter discussion with someone who thinks Matt Ryan is no better than Andy Dalton. QB debates are endless, pointless and crazy. Is he a Ravens fan? They seem to have it in for Matt Ryan with the comparisons to Flacco since they came out in the same draft and how because Flacco won a superbowl he's automatically better than Ryan blah blah.
Kelly the Dog Posted September 10, 2015 Posted September 10, 2015 I think 32 is fair. He hasn't done anything yet. My prediction is that TT is about to become very overrated by the national press. The Bills offense is going to be good and maybe very good. TT will put up good numbers especially completion percentage and YPA which will boost his QB rating. But it will be mostly the result of Roman and the skill players and the OL and not TT himself, who I believe will play decent. But if you have a great defense putting you in good field position, good ST, good offensive coaching, and our skill players, all you have to be is decent and you will look very good. All our QB needs to do is not suck and he should put up numbers. Unless our line tanks and I just don't see it. TT is about to have articles written about how good he is that he likely will not really deserve. Unless instead of just decent he plays good or very good. Then our offense will explode. I don't really predict that though. The national press and fans in general are underestimating just how good Watkins, Woods, Harvin, Clay, McCoy, Felton, Hogan and Goodwin are, combined with a guy who knows how to use them.
billsfan89 Posted September 10, 2015 Posted September 10, 2015 I don't think you could rank rookie QB's with all other NFL QB's just not a valid comparision. Thus out of the remaining non-rookie QB's who would you honestly take Tyrod over objectively? That's not saying I don't think Tyrod could be successful but he hasn't proven anything either way. It's not to say that Tyrod is the worst QB but given his NFL career so far it's hard to project him as anything other than 32.
PromoTheRobot Posted September 10, 2015 Author Posted September 10, 2015 Few step on after 4 years and make that jump either. I'll take a number 1 pick over a 6th rounder with no tape any time, if betting. Doesn't mean I always win but it's probably the better odds.Few do but some make it. You can't make the leap that being a backup means you suck. Besides how many 1st round picks become studs? 20%? 10%? Are the odds really better?
FireChan Posted September 10, 2015 Posted September 10, 2015 Few do but some make it. You can't make the leap that being a backup means you suck. Besides how many 1st round picks become studs? 20%? 10%? Are the odds really better? The odds are so much better. How many franchise QB's have been drafted in the sixth round in the last 10 years? Zero. How many in the first round? Luck, Tanny, Cam, Stafford, Rivers, Eli, maybe Bridgewater, Ryan, Flacco, Rodgers, Big Ben. It's not even close.
Kelly the Dog Posted September 10, 2015 Posted September 10, 2015 The odds are so much better. How many franchise QB's have been drafted in the sixth round in the last 10 years? Zero. How many in the first round? Luck, Tanny, Cam, Stafford, Rivers, Eli, maybe Bridgewater, Ryan, Flacco, Rodgers, Big Ben. It's not even close. Right. Unless you were an optimistic Bills fan, who watched the Bills and no other team, why would you not rate TT 32 out of 32 until proven otherwise?
PromoTheRobot Posted September 10, 2015 Author Posted September 10, 2015 (edited) The odds are so much better. How many franchise QB's have been drafted in the sixth round in the last 10 years? Zero. How many in the first round? Luck, Tanny, Cam, Stafford, Rivers, Eli, maybe Bridgewater, Ryan, Flacco, Rodgers, Big Ben. It's not even close. Last ten, zero. Last 15? I can name two right off: Brady (2000 6th) and Romo (2003 UDFA). So you can't say it doesn't happen. Now compare to how many 1st round picks become true franchise QBs versus how many are duds. Pretty dismal. Edited September 10, 2015 by PromoTheRobot
Kelly the Dog Posted September 10, 2015 Posted September 10, 2015 Last ten, zero. Last 15? I can name two right off: Brady (2000 6th) and Romo (2003 UDFA). So you can't say it doesn't happen. Now compare to how many 1st round picks become true franchise QBs versus how many are duds. Pretty dismal. That's really not the way to look at it. In the last 15 years, the amount of QBs that became Franchise QBs from 6th and 7th round picks and UDFA, are two out of the 500+ that were drafted in those rounds or signed as UDFA and then later cut because they weren't good enough. Most every team signs at least one PS or project QB every year and none of them make it. The chances of a Brady or Romo are less than 1%. The chances of a #1 pick, however small they are, is exponentially greater than a nobody.
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 10, 2015 Posted September 10, 2015 https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/09/09/ranking-all-32-nfl-starting-qbs/ The main knock? Just 28 regular season snaps. Curiously it's 28 more snaps and four more years experience than #24 Jaimis Winston and #25 Marcus Mariota. Makes sense considering his draft selection and playing experience, hopefully it doesn't stay that way, If it does we can finally draft a potential franchise QB.
Bill from NYC Posted September 10, 2015 Posted September 10, 2015 Like I said. Being a high pick gets you instant cred with the media, whether you deserve it or not.Does this apply to EJ?
FireChan Posted September 10, 2015 Posted September 10, 2015 Last ten, zero. Last 15? I can name two right off: Brady (2000 6th) and Romo (2003 UDFA). So you can't say it doesn't happen. Now compare to how many 1st round picks become true franchise QBs versus how many are duds. Pretty dismal. What's more dismal are the hundreds of UDFA and 6th round picks or later whose names you never hear. If Tom Savage beat out Geno Smith and Derek Anderson on the Jets 3 years from now, would you rank him over anybody?
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