BillnutinHouston Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 So predictable no one predicted it, not even Carucci. Agreed. When Cassel was cut the media said it was no surprise, although few predicted it. Same true of Cassel coming back.
Big Gun Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 This thread... http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/180547-cassel-released/ +1 I said in there somewhere that once TT won the job, releasing Cassel was a money move more than EJ supplanting him, which made total sense for the Bills cap wise. I didn't think they would bring MC back however.
Best Player Available Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 I sold my cassel jersey just yesterday, and bought EJ's. I'm keepin Fred's he will be back by Thursday.
Bill from NYC Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 I don't think EJ is all that mobile, at least not from what I've seen with the Bills. I would still give him the edge over Cassel. If you look at him on you tube, EJ was a very good runner in college. In regular season games he looked (imo) clumsy and lumbering, and it's hard to understand why.
ALF Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 When Dareus gets back (53) who is cut , traded or goes to IR ? Vets on the roster season start , guaranteed full pay if cut ?
MikeSpeed Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 I hate hate hate this move! TT will now have an even shorter leash and will be looking over his shoulder all season worried he's going to get yanked. EJ is now nothing but a scout team QB. Another wasted year for him too.
KOKBILLS Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 I've been desperately hoping to see something outta EJ like many. The fact this happened tells me he just isn't there yet. As I re-watched all the preseason games, what I noticed is when EJ gets time and a clean pocket he does nice things. When there is a blitz or a pocket break down and he needs to get it out quickly, he struggles. Further emphasizing the contrast, it was remarkable to me how calm and composed Tyrod looks in the pocket. On one play a blitzer came unblocked off of the corner. Tyrod stepped up and got it out quickly. On another few plays he was buying time outside of the pocket, but didn't have that look of running for his life... (I believe because he knows how much faster and more athletic than any of the front 7 he is...) What I believe they love about Cassel is the ball is out fast, every time, all the time. This my friends, foes and EJ supporters looks like the nail in the coffin of EJMs career in buffalo. Well...Most QB's don't do as well under pressure...Yes the elite one's are better at moving in the pocket to get the pass away...I'll I'll certainly admit EJ has got a bit panicky at times under pressure...I think that's more due to lack of experience than anything...it's growing pains... But I think I saw an improvement with EJ in that area this preseason...Like the TD pass vs. Carolina when he had to step up out of pressure and delivered a 50+ yard strike...He is getting better...I really believe that...The problem is he landed in a city with very little patience when the entire football world warned the Bills he was a developmental prospect...Then he gets a new coaching staff that has no loyalty to him...Pretty much a lose/lose for EJ...But that's just life...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 Trade EJ now. The Bills are wasting his talents as a 3rd string QB.
SCD Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 Top reasons this is great for this board: 1. FireChan - that "Meh Cassell released" thread is indeed a hoot! 2. Reports will indicate Meh took less money to return to the Bills if Whaley went rogue and named him the #2 3. Sully can now troll us with an article about how we failed to bring in a franchise QB after cuts and how this move makes us worse. 4. Meh will surely allow us to introduce a few dozen EJ sucks threads. 5. Less money for Meh to spend with Tahmy at the track 6. We can now resume debating aging vets and their roster value. 7. We can keep saying "Meh." 8. Leroi may still be correct about EJ being cut 9. Cue the Pegula is cheap comments 10. Tyrod can mentor Meh
Coach Tuesday Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 Do I have permission to start calling other posters idiots?
Rico Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 If you look at him on you tube, EJ was a very good runner in college. In regular season games he looked (imo) clumsy and lumbering, and it's hard to understand why. Maybe the knee injuries + coaching? Not what I envisioned anyways.
Kelly the Dog Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 Well...Most QB's don't do as well under pressure...Yes the elite one's are better at moving in the pocket to get the pass away...I'll I'll certainly admit EJ has got a bit panicky at times under pressure...I think that's more due to lack of experience than anything...it's growing pains... But I think I saw an improvement with EJ in that area this preseason...Like the TD pass vs. Carolina when he had to step up out of pressure and delivered a 50+ yard strike...He is getting better...I really believe that...The problem is he landed in a city with very little patience when the entire football world warned the Bills he was a developmental prospect...Then he gets a new coaching staff that has no loyalty to him...Pretty much a lose/lose for EJ...But that's just life... For $900k or maybe even $650k off salary cap, I think this is a shrewd move to get Cassel back even though I think EJ improved a lot, too. But it's pretty obvious to me that the team was VERY willing to let Cassel go and go with EJ as the backup and were not sure if they could resign Cassel. Just signing Tanney to the PS is proof they didn't know. The fact that they had to outbid Houston on escalators is more proof. So I don't think their belief in EJ as a potential good player is changed much at all. They just figured that throughout the year QBs get hurt. Are we better off as a team with Cassel for pennies on a one year deal or with a rookie fifth TE?
Utah John Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 Maybe we could send Seattle the sixth rounder we got along with Cassel from the Vikings, for our fourth and seventh, and get Fred Jackson back. The theory being we really wanted to keep Jackson but not at his salary, when we need cash for Dareus. So Jackson messed up Whaley's plan by getting signed, instead of becoming a cheaper version of himself, like Cassel did. So if Jackson is cheaper now, maybe we can afford him. Could be a good move with Shady not at 100%.
White Linen Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 Maybe, but this wasn't genius. Standard operating procedure for GM's, they should have done it w Tarvaris too, could have saved some cake. Its much easier to negotiate a fair salary after you waive someone for a few weeks. Cassel and his agent saw this coming Im sure, hopefully TT rocks it under center and we never see matt take the field. It's not genius for sure - but it's another brick on the foundation that Whaley is a capable GM. It is much easier to negotiate after someone's cut and it's also fair to say he could have signed elsewhere and his agent surely tried or could have tried. Whaley clearly knew his value and understood the market - because of this Whaley brought him back on his terms - and if it wasn't on his terms would have let him walk. He executed this perfectly.
Bill from NYC Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 Trade EJ now. The Bills are wasting his talents as a 3rd string QB. What kind of value do you think he could bring?
Best Player Available Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 Maybe we could send Seattle the sixth rounder we got along with Cassel from the Vikings, for our fourth and seventh, and get Fred Jackson back. The theory being we really wanted to keep Jackson but not at his salary, when we need cash for Dareus. So Jackson messed up Whaley's plan by getting signed, instead of becoming a cheaper version of himself, like Cassel did. So if Jackson is cheaper now, maybe we can afford him. Could be a good move with Shady not at 100%. IMO if they offered Fred vets minimum he may have took it. They did not.
nucci Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 Top reasons this is great for this board: 1. FireChan - that "Meh Cassell released" thread is indeed a hoot! 2. Reports will indicate Meh took less money to return to the Bills if Whaley went rogue and named him the #2 3. Sully can now troll us with an article about how we failed to bring in a franchise QB after cuts and how this move makes us worse. 4. Meh will surely allow us to introduce a few dozen EJ sucks threads. 5. Less money for Meh to spend with Tahmy at the track 6. We can now resume debating aging vets and their roster value. 7. We can keep saying "Meh." 8. Leroi may still be correct about EJ being cut 9. Cue the Pegula is cheap comments 10. Tyrod can mentor Meh Please don't
Best Player Available Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 What kind of value do you think he could bring? i think they shopped him and probably have rejected a 6th or 7 th. Whaley probably wants a 4 imo
KOKBILLS Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 For $900k or maybe even $650k off salary cap, I think this is a shrewd move to get Cassel back even though I think EJ improved a lot, too. But it's pretty obvious to me that the team was VERY willing to let Cassel go and go with EJ as the backup and were not sure if they could resign Cassel. Just signing Tanney to the PS is proof they didn't know. The fact that they had to outbid Houston on escalators is more proof. So I don't think their belief in EJ as a potential good player is changed much at all. They just figured that throughout the year QBs get hurt. Are we better off as a team with Cassel for pennies on a one year deal or with a rookie fifth TE? That's all likely true... But if I'm EJ, I'm not buying it...Especially after being dropped to #3 again... If I'm EJ I want out of Buffalo as fast as humanly possible...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 (edited) What kind of value do you think he could bring? Depending on the team 5th through 7th. Hell, the Bills gave up a 7th for Cassel. There are still teams in need for a good QB. When RGIII is deemed unusable and Cousins and McCoy suck in DC, look for an EJ deal to happen. Edited September 8, 2015 by BillsFan-4-Ever
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