Doc Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 What is ironic about me saying that W-L record is not always the most pertinent way to gauge a QB's performance? What is then? Passing stats? Because if so, Cassel doesn't look so great either, especially his last start.
John from Riverside Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 Your post makes zero sense. Zero. I didn't say anything about EJ Manuel. I said that W-L record is an overrated way to judge a QB's performance. I think Tyrod Taylor is going to have a better record this season than Matt Ryan, Cam Newton, Drew Brees, Philip Rivers and Eli Manning. That doesn't mean I think he's a better QB. I have no idea what you're talking about with respect to EJ. I know that this whole QB thing has lingered all summer....... But honestly folks.....ITS TT TIME
YoloinOhio Posted September 8, 2015 Author Posted September 8, 2015 This is true and I frankly have no problem with the moves Its Tyrod Time it is indeed Tyrod Time and there is a game in FIVE days. Good move IMO to bring MC back at a low salary but the backup QB situation and who is 2nd or 3rd is not important to me at this point either. Starters win games.
Best Player Available Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 @JaySkurski BN Blitz: EJ Manuel hasn't asked #Bills for a trade, says he's 'good where I'm at right now' http://bills.buffalonews.com/2015/09/08/ej-manuel-hasnt-asked-bills-for-a-trade-says-hes-good-where-im-at-right-now/ Of course he hasn't asked for a trade Skurski. Thats because not one team sees him as a starter. he has zero leverage here. he is happy to be in the league I am sure. 3 rd string or not.
Kelly the Dog Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 Cutting Cassel was a huge risk. You don't go from thinking you're making $4M to accepting a vet minimum salary easily and most guys would be pissed and go to another team for the same money. Which makes me think it wasn't a big risk at all and they were very comfortable going with EJ as the #2 unless they could get Cassel back for peanuts. Or Whaley went rogue again. Rex and coaches threatened him and they signed Cassel back. Whaley turns out to look good in this saving the money, and coaches got the guy they wanted back. Whaley never went rogue. That has been firmly established.
Lurker Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 It worked for Tyrod Taylor True. But what did the Ravens get out of it?
FireChan Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 True. But what did the Ravens get out of it? They didn't care because they won a Superbowl. We won't care either.
Nanker Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 Run along now. Nope. So Cassel actually has gotten better at running as he got older, not worse. Way to even prove that EJ is a worse runner than Cassel. Which he is actually. Horseshit. They're essentially dead even at the point in their careers where they each had 14 starts. You're saying EJ would top out at less than 23 yards tops if he got another 56 starts? I'm not convinced of that. I am convinced that Cassel has a noodle arm.
Doc Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 Which makes me think it wasn't a big risk at all and they were very comfortable going with EJ as the #2 unless they could get Cassel back for peanuts. I meant it was a risk cutting Cassel if they really wanted to keep him.
26CornerBlitz Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 @mikerodak Matt Cassel was caught off guard by Bills releasing him; had interest from other teams but wanted to stay in Buffalo: http://es.pn/1PZxUNm
eball Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 (edited) @mikerodak Matt Cassel was caught off guard by Bills releasing him; had interest from other teams but wanted to stay in Buffalo: http://es.pn/1PZxUNm Was just going to mention this. Anyone thinking EJ is about to be traded should chill out. The fact the Bills didn't even discuss the possibility of bringing Cassel back with him says they knew they might lose him. EJ is still a developmental QB and is in their future plans -- either to develop and trade (next year) or develop and play. Edited September 8, 2015 by eball
Mister Defense Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 Wow, what a BS move, a move made by a losing team, not a winning one. To do that to EJ, completely shatter his confidence after giving him some hope about his future with the Bills. Just got home and saw the headlines, so maybe reading about it will ease my mind, but on the surface at least it is the worst move this team has made in some time. Inexplicable.
LeGOATski Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 Wow, what a BS move, a move made by a losing team, not a winning one. To do that to EJ, completely shatter his confidence after giving him some hope about his future with the Bills. Just got home and saw the headlines, so maybe reading about it will ease my mind, but on the surface at least it is the worst move this team has made in some time. Inexplicable. Keeping a vet backup for considerably less money is inexplicable? Some of you guys need to step away from the ledge.
GG Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 I read and understood that. My point is that Whaley is sitting with Rex and Roman discussing the QBs and he says I'm considering releasing Matt and going with just EJ so we can try to lock up Dareus and Bradham. We have about a 50/50 chance of getting Matt back after he clears waivers. Rex and Roman, to me, have one of three basic responses: 1] I'm cool with that overall, EJ can handle the #2 duties. 2] I'd prefer to keep Matt but I think EJ can handle it and if it came down to trying to improve our roster I won't fight you on it. 3] I really think this is risky. We need the vet here if TT goes down and the difference between Matt and EJ is measurable. I would bet anything it was either one or two for both Rex and Roman and not three, otherwise Whaley would have acqueisced and said okay, if you feel strongly we won't risk losing him. Discussion is also likely have been initiated by Whaley after Cassel lost the bid to start, and that he wasn't willing to invest $5 million in a back up. My guess the coaches didn't like the idea because it's clear they wanted a veteran on the team all along. So they reached a compromise - cut Cassel, have him see what the open market demands for his services and then try to bring him back on those terms if they fit the budget. If not, they would have still liked to bring in another vet if Cassel signed elsewhere.
Nanker Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 Discussion is also likely have been initiated by Whaley after Cassel lost the bid to start, and that he wasn't willing to invest $5 million in a back up. My guess the coaches didn't like the idea because it's clear they wanted a veteran on the team all along. So they reached a compromise - cut Cassel, have him see what the open market demands for his services and then try to bring him back on those terms if they fit the budget. If not, they would have still liked to bring in another vet if Cassel signed elsewhere. That's quite plausible. It's definitely a numbers game, and it's constantly fluid - albeit the viscosity changes from moment to moment.
Iraq Vet Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 snore.... this move is a snore fest. Can we just get to game 1?
negativo Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 EJ should be happy to stay. Where else could he go for this kind of money with an unproven situation at QB? Taylor deserves to start, but if it doesn't go well EJ is positioned for a shot at #1 by the end of the season or beginning of next. Meh is obviously an emergency QB not in the longterm plans of the franchise. Obviously, 3rd isn't a dream spot for a former #1 pick. However, if you look deeper it ain't that bad place to be, either.
billsfan_34 Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 I dont like the move at all, cost savings besides the point. Journey man weak arm that just isnt a quality number 2. EJ must have had a terrible week of practice to be at the 3 string. I thought he looked good in the third game. We better hope Taylor plays well and doesnt get injured. Isnt it great 3 years after EJ was a number 1 pick he is sitting at the third string.
PolishDave Posted September 8, 2015 Posted September 8, 2015 @mikerodak Matt Cassel was caught off guard by Bills releasing him; had interest from other teams but wanted to stay in Buffalo: http://es.pn/1PZxUNm I'm not buying the "had interest from other teams" line. I call B.S. on Cassel. He seemed to mention it rather nonchalantly in that piece. I doubt anyone was seriously interested in him besides Buffalo. There would have been rumors that he was talking with other teams....
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