Agua Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 What I want to know is WHAT will the NFL DO to STOP THEM FROM CONTINUING TO CHEAT?? ANYTHING?!!?
GG Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 As I understand it, the muni market was rife with problems in the late 80s/early 90s (and corruption is definitely a form of cheating, at least in my opinion). Ernie A worked in that world for a half decade or so, and while he may have been entirely clean, that world wasn't. And he hasin fact been neck deep in almost all of Belichick's underhanded strategems for decades. Anyway, it does make me wonder. Not a big deal. The abuse in municipals was because the market was illiquid and thus opaque allowing for wide spreads in the buying & selling activity.
MattM Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 Has any Pats assistant coach ever gone on to succeed anywhere else? Bill O'Brien's the only current head coach from the Belichick "tree." Jim Schwartz is the longest-tenured...but he was only under Belichick as a "research assistant" in Cleveland. None that I can think of offhand. That was one of O'Leary's points/argument in his Spygate book--continual success despite a revolving door of no name coordinators who try their luck elsewhere and fail miserably. In one case (McDaniel), trying to cheat elsewhere, failing miserably and coming back "home".
dave mcbride Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 None that I can think of offhand. That was one of O'Leary's points/argument in his Spygate book--continual success despite a revolving door of no name coordinators who try their luck elsewhere and fail miserably. In one case (McDaniel), trying to cheat elsewhere, failing miserably and coming back "home". Nick Saban and Kirk Ferentz have done well for themselves, but they were assistants in Cleveland, not NE.
PromoTheRobot Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 (edited) Players do get better, you know. I know you always assume the worst about him, but honestly I don't know what your point is here. Are you accusing him of juicing? You do realize that most players from the Bills probably juice too, right (at least w/regard to HGH)? There's a reason the league and players never push the issue about testing for HGH. Uh yeah. Because a number of other Pats** players juiced. Or do you believe all those miraculous recoveries from injury by players like Colvin and Bruschi came from protein shakes? As for players getting better, haven't we already proven that's impossible? (see: EJ threads) Edited September 9, 2015 by PromoTheRobot
DC Tom Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 What I want to know is WHAT will the NFL DO to STOP THEM FROM CONTINUING TO CHEAT?? ANYTHING?!!? Nothing, I hope. Instead, let the rest of the league cheat against them. Pump in crowd noise, !@#$ with the headsets, give every player a radio channel, steal the Pats footballs and over-inflate them, turn a blind eye to roughing calls. Hell, let wide receivers pepper spray the defensive backs for all I care, because !@#$ these guys.
Billy in 4C Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 What I want to know is WHAT will the NFL DO to STOP THEM FROM CONTINUING TO CHEAT?? ANYTHING?!!? I'm with you - there's nothing that is going to happen. Just like a college program, by the time it catches up to them the coach and all the players will be retired. There might be an asterix but it won't matter - they won't take the superbowls away. The sickening part is that throughout all the years they cheated, they were beating us two games per season. Had we just been able to split with them, it could have made those 8-8 teams 9-7 or 9-7 teams 10-6 and possibly in the playoffs 1 or 2 of those 15 years. That would have made this 15 year stretch a little more tolerable. Last year when we had the snow out game, it really revealed how bad the Patriots cheating was. We REFUSED to play a neutral site game in their building due to "competitive reasons" and inconvenienced ourselves to go to Detroit.
DC Tom Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 None that I can think of offhand. That was one of O'Leary's points/argument in his Spygate book--continual success despite a revolving door of no name coordinators who try their luck elsewhere and fail miserably. In one case (McDaniel), trying to cheat elsewhere, failing miserably and coming back "home". And Matt Cassel had his best completion percentage and yards passing in NE...and has been pretty much mediocre since (one season with KC aside). He's someone who made a great deal of money off the Pats' cheating.
MattM Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 Nick Saban and Kirk Ferentz have done well for themselves, but they were assistants in Cleveland, not NE. As has Urban Meyer, who I think was with Belicheat at some point, but that's in college, where outside things like recruiting can be half the battle. In addition, Saban and his body of work in Miami is a good example in the other direction.
dave mcbride Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 (edited) As has Urban Meyer, who I think was with Belicheat at some point, but that's in college, where outside things like recruiting can be half the battle. In addition, Saban and his body of work in Miami is a good example in the other direction. Saban chalks up his failure in Miami to the Miami doctors' advice to steer clear of Brees. That looks like blame shifting, but honestly, it's the truth. If he had Brees, he likely would have succeeded in Miami. He didn't have a good qb. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/09/06/nick-saban-i-might-still-be-in-miami-if-they-let-me-sign-drew-brees/ Edited September 9, 2015 by dave mcbride
MattM Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 Saban chalks up his failure in Miami to the GM's decision to pull back from Brees. That looks like blame shifting, but honestly, it's the truth. If he had Brees, he likely would have succeeded in Miami. He didn't have a good qb. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/09/06/nick-saban-i-might-still-be-in-miami-if-they-let-me-sign-drew-brees/ Uhh, ok--give ME a Pro Bowl QB and I could probably get you to .500.....
K-9 Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 (edited) Nothing, I hope. Instead, let the rest of the league cheat against them. Pump in crowd noise, !@#$ with the headsets, give every player a radio channel, steal the Pats footballs and over-inflate them, turn a blind eye to roughing calls. Hell, let wide receivers pepper spray the defensive backs for all I care, because !@#$ these guys.Pepper spray! Seriously funny schit right there! Lets get midieval on their ass. TASERs anyone? GO BILLS!!! Edited September 9, 2015 by K-9
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 None that I can think of offhand. That was one of O'Leary's points/argument in his Spygate book--continual success despite a revolving door of no name coordinators who try their luck elsewhere and fail miserably. In one case (McDaniel), trying to cheat elsewhere, failing miserably and coming back "home". ? More info please? And Matt Cassel had his best completion percentage and yards passing in NE...and has been pretty much mediocre since (one season with KC aside). He's someone who made a great deal of money off the Pats' cheating. So when Cassel was good again in 2010 under Charlie Weiss as OC, was Weiss cheating?
LB3 Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 (edited) Pepper spray! Seriously funny schit right there! Lets get midieval on their ass. TASERs anyone? GO BILLS!!! I can't stop picturing Brady as this kid. http://youtu.be/8XWijwmvGU4 Edited September 9, 2015 by LBSeeBallLBGetBall
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 What I want to know is WHAT will the NFL DO to STOP THEM FROM CONTINUING TO CHEAT?? ANYTHING?!!? have the Refs thow a flag at ANY questionable play. You see something slightly wrong - question it. Throw a flag and let the group decide. LOVE IT
MattM Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 (edited) ? More info please? McDaniel was caught filming opposing team's practice walk through a few years back and fined $50k when he was HC of the Broncos. The videographer, Steve Scarnechia, is also a former Pat* assistant and son of longtime Pat* OL coach Dante S. Edited September 9, 2015 by MattM
reddogblitz Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 ? More info please? Seriously Hopeful, you need to read SpyGate. Do an internet search on broncos video taping scandal and you'll find a lot, like this: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5854856 for example. There's more.
GG Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 And now, the Pats* are asking the NFL to reinstate needledee & needledum. How convenient?
TheFunPolice Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 don't forget Belichick* was the DC of the Giants in the Bills 1st Super Bowl. He could have been stealing playsheets and cheating way back then
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