DC Tom Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 The man behind the curtain helps https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/01/29/mysterious-ernie-adams-patriots-man-behind-curtain/IrNCfgrysUphGpkcIjEaBL/story.html That's what's known as a caporegime. He's Al Neri to Belichick's Michael Corleone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 yea, most of the pats stuff seemed to re-hash the known issues that we had heard of. did a good job compiling the accusations though, and some fresh confirmations from sources added validity. the martz allegation of the league altering his statement before releasing it, among other things, were new to me - but not shocking. i know i told you about a hundred times that its really tough to assume anything they release is factual or assume pash was really just soft editing reports. what a mess on all sides. My reasoning for the position on Pash hasn't changed. I thought he did little to the report because of my feelings about Wells being a little pisspot and because Pash didn't need to,do anything nefarious, rather than I trusted him one bit. The testing and the texts and interviews were enough. No need to get into any of that now. I don't trust the league either and surely don't trust Goodell. But the Pash thing was mostly about Wells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 I wish some of that surprised me. It makes me wonder what we still have no idea about! They're doing things we're not onto yet, I'm sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 8, 2015 Author Share Posted September 8, 2015 More from SI Suspicions of Bill Belichick's Patriots regime persist among opponents http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/09/08/patriots-cheating-suspicions-bill-belichick-tom-brady?xid=si_social Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agua Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Does anyone believe they aren't STILL doing this stuff and more that no one has ever heard about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Greg Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Is it week 2 yet? God I hope the Bills crush them... please God... let it be so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeesforclosers Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 (edited) Remember that game at Foxboro where we were up 28-0 at the half, and the Pats scored six consecutive TDs in the second half while shutting us out? Edited September 8, 2015 by Coffeesforclosers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 yea, most of the pats stuff seemed to re-hash the known issues that we had heard of. did a good job compiling the accusations though, and some fresh confirmations from sources added validity. the martz allegation of the league altering his statement before releasing it, among other things, were new to me - but not shocking. i know i told you about a hundred times that its really tough to assume anything they release is factual or assume pash was really just soft editing reports. what a mess on all sides. Good points as always, NoSaint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 My reasoning for the position on Pash hasn't changed. I thought he did little to the report because of my feelings about Wells being a little pisspot and because Pash didn't need to,do anything nefarious, rather than I trusted him one bit. The testing and the texts and interviews were enough. No need to get into any of that now. I don't trust the league either and surely don't trust Goodell. But the Pash thing was mostly about Wells. Dog, Pash has a deep and tangled history with the Pats' culture of cheating, as this excellent story reveals. Expecting him to sit on the sidelines and merely wordsmith a few phrases here and there absolutely defies belief. Great piece. Remember that game at Foxboro where we were up 28-0 at the half, and the Pats scored six consecutive TDs in the second half while shutting us out? It was 21-0, actually, and Stevie had to sit out the second half. My assumption for that game was that the bus arrived early, and come halftime a mass run for it began. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/13533995/split-nfl-new-england-patriots-apart Fantastic article. Very deep work on Patriots line-stepping. The notion that the Pats** and NFL "were tight" before is troubling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Dog, Pash has a deep and tangled history with the Pats' culture of cheating, as this excellent story reveals. Expecting him to sit on the sidelines and merely wordsmith a few phrases here and there absolutely defies belief. Great piece. I think it is becoming a semantics argument. With the way the NFL all but convinced Martz to actually lie about his feelings should make everyone believe they are very capable of changing reports. My point with Pash is that no matter what he changed the words of, unless you want to suspect that Wells thought Brady was innocent of something that Pash made to sound guilty, it's immaterial and irrelevant. Because we are talking about the science of the Exponent stuff, the actual texts of Jastremski and McNally as well as their actual interviews and the video of McNally. Unless you want to say he changed the texts it doesn't matter what the wordsmithing was. Plus, and this is not insignificant, Wells is a little ****. He goes insane if anyone accuses him of anything. There is no chance in my mind that he wrote something in his investigation that is pro Patriots and Brady and isn't showing guilt and then Pash reworded it to make it appear different than it was. Wells would go crazy, like he did with his press conference immediately after the Pats trashed his report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Dog, Pash has a deep and tangled history with the Pats' culture of cheating, as this excellent story reveals. Expecting him to sit on the sidelines and merely wordsmith a few phrases here and there absolutely defies belief. Great piece. It was 21-0, actually, and Stevie had to sit out the second half. My assumption for that game was that the bus arrived early, and come halftime a mass run for it began. The one game that stands out for me was the home game a few years ago (the Spiller fumble game?) The Bills were handling the Pats and led at halftime. The Pats came out of the half with like 3 plays and guessed correctly 100% of the time and scored a TD on like 6 straight possessions. It was either a counter run to Bolden or Ridley, a seam to Gronk, or a quick sideline or slant pass Welker or Lloyd. They "guessed" right every single time and scored 45 second half points. It was uncanny. I have seen halftime adjustments, but nothing like that. Come on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PortlandiaEast Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 The one game that stands out for me was the home game a few years ago (the Spiller fumble game?) The Bills were handling the Pats and led at halftime. The Pats came out of the half with like 3 plays and guessed correctly 100% of the time and scored a TD on like 6 straight possessions. It was either a counter run to Bolden or Ridley, a seam to Gronk, or a quick sideline or slant pass Welker or Lloyd. They "guessed" right every single time and scored 45 second half points. It was uncanny. I have seen halftime adjustments, but nothing like that. Come on. What about their game against Denver/manning. Pats were down by 28 at half, came back and won... But the reality is the comebacks do happen. Bills did it down three scores to the pats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 This just in, Patriots* replace "statistics" in the famous saying about three types of lies. Henceforth, the saying shall be "Lies, damned lies, and the New England Patriots*" (asterisks mine). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ko12010 Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 The one game that stands out for me was the home game a few years ago (the Spiller fumble game?) The Bills were handling the Pats and led at halftime. The Pats came out of the half with like 3 plays and guessed correctly 100% of the time and scored a TD on like 6 straight possessions. It was either a counter run to Bolden or Ridley, a seam to Gronk, or a quick sideline or slant pass Welker or Lloyd. They "guessed" right every single time and scored 45 second half points. It was uncanny. I have seen halftime adjustments, but nothing like that. Come on. They seemed to do this constantly. It was as if (cough) they had found all the answers during the 1st half and applied them to the second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 It was 21-0, actually, and Stevie had to sit out the second half. My assumption for that game was that the bus arrived early, and come halftime a mass run for it began. yea, it shouldnt get that ugly even if BB took control of the bills headsets and was calling their plays himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pneumonic Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Such jealousy and envy. The league outta call in agents Muldar and Scully to figure out why, after no longer video taping and stealing other teams plays, the Pats still have figured out a way to dominate the sport that isn't supposed to be dominated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac2001 Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Such jealousy and envy. The league outta call in agents Muldar and Scully to figure out why, after no longer video taping and stealing other teams plays, the Pats still have figured out a way to dominate the sport that isn't supposed to be dominated. Lol this dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Such jealousy and envy. The league outta call in agents Muldar and Scully to figure out why, after no longer video taping and stealing other teams plays, the Pats still have figured out a way to dominate the sport that isn't supposed to be dominated. Right on time. One of the scummiest pro sports organizations in history. I'm sure you are proud. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamSandwhich Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 It seems to me, the only thing they have to rely on is that these things can't be proved. Everyone knows there is smoke, matter of time that the fire will show itself, and I think it will be a much bigger fire than expected. Someone will come forward (McNally) or someone will slip up, or someone will be come estranged and disgruntled and blow the roof off this organization. It will be glorious! As Promo said earlier: DENY DENY DENY is the Cheatriot battle cry, and the Cheatriot way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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