truth on hold Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 I wonder in football if there's a way for a team to get out of a guaranteed contract if they think a guy is faking it.
benderbender Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 We never sign our good players....The exception that proves the rule
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 Aaron Williams was a bust, don't you remember 2012?! Everyone, everyone was rightfully suspicious of his abilities after his first two seasons. If the coaching change didn't happen he might have played his way out of the league.
Coach Tuesday Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 Obviously Doug Whaley has no business running an NFL franchise. As some astute posters here point out, his personnel decisions are terrible. The Bills will never recover from losing Kelvin Sheppard to the Colts for Jerry Hughes. Doug Whaley tried very hard to sign Byrd and offered him a significant amount of money. I see you've taken up your rearguard station and you're already in midseason form!
jester43 Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 All I can say is I told you so. That PF injury he faked in Buffalo is an overuse injury...it comes on over weeks and is painful to train on...and for it to be a 6-8 week thing (whatever it was), he would have been abusing it day in and day out fow weeks on end. He did not abuse himself that way while sitting out in a contract dispute. Players use the off-season to heal, not abuse chronic injuries. I said as much then, and was told I didn't "KNOW" because I wasn't in his body. That much is true, but what is also true is that his story did not add up at all...and it was a little disappointing that no one in the Buffalo sports media could take the time to learn more about the typical etiology of that injury and injury and report it. I was told by one of the many reviled BN writers that you're really on shaky ground when you start accusing players of not being in pain, so he was not going there. Fine, but the fact remains that everything about that situation pointed to him faking the injury. So all i can say to the Saints organization is ha-effing-ha.
plenzmd1 Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 11 million. On Sportrac, looks like his $6m roster bonus for 2015 was converted to signing bonus ...and he his $16m in dead cap if they cut him...I think I am reading that correct Man, I don't know what kind of injury settlement they can come with to get out of that. I would thinkntheyvare stuck.
NoSaint Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 Giving a massive bonus and guaranteed money to any player is a gamble. At least trading Jimmy Graham to help pay Byrd, oops to be fair, they traded jimmy because he was upset with the team and allegedly coasting at times. they gave the seahawks a bargain, having paid a huge portion of his contract already and got to miss out on all the value in it. On Sportrac, looks like his $6m roster bonus for 2015 was converted to signing bonus ...and he his $16m in dead cap if they cut him...I think I am reading that correct Man, I don't know what kind of injury settlement they can come with to get out of that. I would thinkntheyvare stuck. honest question - have we ever seen an injury settlement on a guy that is a certifiable starter? i know you see them a lot with $600k guys, but not anyone with a real salary that i can remember.
YoloinOhio Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 (edited) to be fair, they traded jimmy because he was upset with the team and allegedly coasting at times. they gave the seahawks a bargain, having paid a huge portion of his contract already and got to miss out on all the value in it. honest question - have we ever seen an injury settlement on a guy that is a certifiable starter? i know you see them a lot with $600k guys, but not anyone with a real salary that i can remember. browns just did it this week with Phil Taylor. I think it was 4-5 mill. It is unusual though. Edited September 3, 2015 by YoloinOhio
kdub Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 Doug Whaley tried very hard to sign Byrd and offered him a significant amount of money. I see you've taken up your rearguard station and you're already in midseason form! I think the point here is he didn't overpay for Byrd, which obviously is a personnel decision.
plenzmd1 Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 browns just did it this week with Phil Taylor. I think it was 4-5 mill. It is unusual though. but the team is still stuck with the dead money right? I cant see Byrd giving beck any of the two signing bonuses that total $17M ...i mean they are just stuck it would seem
ALF Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 The Saints already have over $29m in dead money . http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-orleans-saints/cap/
Canadian Bills Fan Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 The Saints already have over $29m in dead money . http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-orleans-saints/cap/ Wow..... CBF
Snorom Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 Yep and remember all those angry posters that attacked Whaley and the Bills for letting him walk. Even after a a very substantial offer on the table Probably the same group of ax grinders jumping on the Anti-Whaley train now after the FJ cut you fools will be proven wrong again The Byrd is proving to be a Turd
Utah John Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 I think most players get into the league wanting to play great, win SBs, and make the HOF. I think Byrd's goal is to retire a rich, healthy, uninjured young man. Considering the sad shape some former players are in by the time they hit 50, who's the fool? Byrd, or the guys who sacrifice their bodies and brains, and who are forgotten by most fans a few years after they're cut?
outsidethebox Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 Has Whaley walked on water yet? Just curious. Yep and remember all those angry posters that attacked Whaley and the Bills for letting him walk. Even after a a very substantial offer on the table Probably the same group of ax grinders jumping on the Anti-Whaley train now after the FJ cut you fools will be proven wrong again The Byrd is proving to be a Turd I love love fest's!!!!😆
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 I think the point here is he didn't overpay for Byrd, which obviously is a personnel decision. He sticks to his algorithm and doesn't get swept up by emotion or over value players at the detriment of the whole. #mathwins
PromoTheRobot Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 Not like people can predict what will happen. Some didn't want him some did.Well predicting what happens is a GMs job. You would think a good one is plugged into the player's psyche and has a sense of who's a baller and who's just there for the paycheck.
LB3 Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 I can't understand why some Bills fans feel the need to bash Byrd. He played well for us. Whaley obviously made the right call in not re-signing him. It's a business and he's looking out for his own well being.
Gugny Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 I can't understand why some Bills fans feel the need to bash Byrd. He played well for us. Whaley obviously made the right call in not re-signing him. It's a business and he's looking out for his own well being. I can only speak for myself. I bash him because he faked injury in order not to play. He screwed his teammates over with big EFF YOU and didn't bat an eye. I had no problem with him going for more $$. It's what he's supposed to do. But he handled it like a B word.
Rob's House Posted September 3, 2015 Posted September 3, 2015 Yep and remember all those angry posters that attacked Whaley and the Bills for letting him walk. Even after a a very substantial offer on the table Probably the same group of ax grinders jumping on the Anti-Whaley train now after the FJ cut you fools will be proven wrong again The Byrd is proving to be a Turd I can't speak for everyone, but I was one of the few staunch defenders of the decision to let Tyrd walk and I'm not happy with Whaley for dropping Fred. I think you may have this backwards.
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