chris heff Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Cutting Cassel saves $4.15M (base salary) whereas cutting EJ saves nothing (save $1.2M base salary minus $1.2M prorated signing bonus). It would be dumb on multiple levels to cut EJ, especially in favor of Cassel. Isn't this what I said? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 You're wrong. If someone picks him up, there are certain minimums at least they have to pay. Anything Ej is paid by another team, if he is cut, is reduced from the Bills cap and out lay. So if EJ is cut and someone pays him 2M a year then the Bills are off the hook for that 2m. you are embarrassing the other Bills Fans in Virginia. Please stop http://www.hashtagsports.net/articles/cutting-ej-manuel-can-the-bills-afford-to-keep-him EJ is in the third year of a four year guaranteed contract which comes built with an option for a fifth year if the exercised by the team. If he were to be cut, he could accelerate $2.8 million against the salary cap this season; the team could split that amount, pushing some of the pending cap hit to next year. His salary this and next year comes fully guaranteed, which means the Bills need to account for that plus his prorated signing bonus regardless if he is on the team or not, all $5.25 million of it. Trading EJ would require the Bills to only have to absorb the amount remaining on his signing bonus against the cap, which would account for about $2.4 million this year, nearly matching what his salary figure is now. So, the team could trade him with no cap savings, cut him with $2.5 million hitting this and next year’s salary cap (or they can choose to take a $5.25 million “dead money bomb” now), or they can keep him. Keeping him actually cares a significant amount of risk if he were to be the starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted September 3, 2015 Author Share Posted September 3, 2015 you are embarrassing the other Bills Fans in Virginia. Please stop http://www.hashtagsports.net/articles/cutting-ej-manuel-can-the-bills-afford-to-keep-him EJ is in the third year of a four year guaranteed contract which comes built with an option for a fifth year if the exercised by the team. If he were to be cut, he could accelerate $2.8 million against the salary cap this season; the team could split that amount, pushing some of the pending cap hit to next year. His salary this and next year comes fully guaranteed, which means the Bills need to account for that plus his prorated signing bonus regardless if he is on the team or not, all $5.25 million of it. Trading EJ would require the Bills to only have to absorb the amount remaining on his signing bonus against the cap, which would account for about $2.4 million this year, nearly matching what his salary figure is now. So, the team could trade him with no cap savings, cut him with $2.5 million hitting this and next year’s salary cap (or they can choose to take a $5.25 million “dead money bomb” now), or they can keep him. Keeping him actually cares a significant amount of risk if he were to be the starter. Again, way to not understand. If he is signed by another team, the cap hit is reduced by any amount they sign him to. Otherwise players would try to get cut and double dip if they were on guaranteed contracts. It's part of the CBA. You're wrong also and you owe me an apology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Again, way to not understand. If he is signed by another team, the cap hit is reduced by any amount they sign him to. Otherwise players would try to get cut and double dip if they were on guaranteed contracts. It's part of the CBA. You're wrong also and you owe me an apology. IF traded!! So, the team could trade him with no cap savings, cut him with $2.5 million hitting this and next year’s salary cap (or they can choose to take a $5.25 million “dead money bomb” now), or they can keep him. Keeping him actually cares a significant amount of risk if he were to be the starter. Seems the author disagrees with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBills Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 If we cut EJ, we are on the hook for 2.4 mil in dead money for his prorated signing bonus, plus 1.2 mil base salary in 2015 and 1.6 mil in 2016. Total dead money is 5.2 mil, spread over this year and next. If he is signed by another team, I would assume it's for the minimum salary of 585k for 2015 and 600k for 2016. That's roughly 1.2 mil EJ Manuel cost of cutting: 5.2 - 1.2 = 4 mil in dead money Matt Cassel cost of cutting: 0 dead money FINANCIALLY, the move is to cut Cassel. There is no argument against it pure $$$$ terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted September 3, 2015 Author Share Posted September 3, 2015 IF traded!! So, the team could trade him with no cap savings, cut him with $2.5 million hitting this and next year’s salary cap (or they can choose to take a $5.25 million “dead money bomb” now), or they can keep him. Keeping him actually cares a significant amount of risk if he were to be the starter. Seems the author disagrees with you. Actually we're both right. If there is offset language in the contract, which most have then if a player with guaranteed money signs elsewhere his salary and cap hit would be reduced by the amount paid by the other team. Cut Manuel Cap savings: Between $500,000 and $1.2 million Dead money: $1.2 million in 2015, and at least $1.2 million in 2016) From reports when he signed, it is assumed that Manuel's rookie contract contains offset language for his guaranteed money, hence the range of potential cap savings. Assuming Manuel is signed by another team, whatever salary that team pays him will be offset from the guaranteed money the Bills are scheduled to pay Manuel this year (just over $1.2 million). If Manuel is still in the league in 2016, the same result will follow again, with the Bills' guarantee to pay Manuel $1.6 million reduced by whatever salary he receives from another team. The remaining value of Manuel's prorated signing bonus would be split in equal $1.2 million dead money hits in 2015 and 2016. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 (edited) The OP managed to confuse the heck out of me but it finally registered - you can't count EJ's salary for 2016 like Cassel's in 2015 because if OBD pays EJ his 2016 salary the Bills get a QB (EJ) in 2016 for that money. Paying Cassel's salary in 2015 doesn't get them a QB in 2016 so they still have to spend more on top of that for a QB. The only legitimate comparison is Cassel's $4M vs. EJs 1.5M (less guarentees) in 2015. If we add in EJ's 2016 money we have to compare that to whatever other QB they have to sign to fill his spot - presumably for less than Cassel's $4M but who knows. $1.6M is pretty cheap even for a backup QB. Edited September 3, 2015 by BobChalmers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KollegeStudnet Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 If we cut Cassel we save $... If he signs with the Pats.... They will know our plays, further fueling the cheating fires Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billykaykay Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Just to make sure things are clear and accurate. Cassel already earned a 500K bonus. That's his, it counts against the cap. If we cut/trade him he would count as a 4.15 million dollar savings. EJ Manual if traded would save 1.2 million this year and 1.6 next year. That's a savings of 2.8 million. On top of that is EJ is cut and then signed by another team, EJ doesn't double dip. Any contract from another team would reduce the Bills outlay and also their cap hit. So the difference is only 1.35 million and wouldn't be a deciding factor. The rumor is the front office want to keep EJ, the coaches want Cassel. Just like Whaley wanted Ej to start, and Pegs wanted Fred to stay, I think in the end the coaches probably win the battle. EJ showed a lot in pre-season and got a lot better. Still has to show more consistency and ability to run the offense for a full 60 minutes. You say EJ has to show more consistency. Fair enough. But what makes you think that MC is more consistent? He's just been inconsistent longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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