metzelaars_lives Posted September 4, 2015 Posted September 4, 2015 I guess Clayton wasn't there with Metz all camp long. This makes no sense You're aware that I've already stated that I think Manuel has done enough to move up to #2, right?
LeGOATski Posted September 4, 2015 Posted September 4, 2015 Shane Carden, Cody Fajardo, Stephen Morris, Zac Desert...all cut. A lot of Bills fans expressed interest in these guys...
Maury Ballstein Posted September 4, 2015 Posted September 4, 2015 (edited) You're aware that I've already stated that I think Manuel has done enough to move up to #2, right? Wonderful news. Whatever happened to the pro cassel narrative you pushed "cuz Ej" Those were funny times. Realist party has disbanded. Edited September 4, 2015 by Ryan L Billz
metzelaars_lives Posted September 4, 2015 Posted September 4, 2015 (edited) It wasn't that long ago around here, there was a QB battle in PS. The coaching staff and brass chose Trent Edwards. Some on here (myself included) had the gall to say that Trent sucks and Fitz should start. After 2 weeks Trent was unceremoniously dumped and cut in favor of Fitz. Sometimes the coaches and brass (and reporters) are wrong even with much more info. That's fair. I was at the Green Bay game when Edwards went out by running out of bounds short of the line of scrimmage on fourth down. We've all watched preseason. I think Taylor was the best, Manuel the second best. If you wanna say Manuel was ever so slightly better, fine. I think you're trying to see something that's not there but fine, it's not an absurd opinion to have. But please understand that every report out of camp had Taylor ahead Manuel going into the preseason. That's really not up for debate. So if Taylor was way ahead of Manuel going into the preseason, did Manuel do enough to unseat him? Or put it this way- if Taylor was ahead, did he play poorly enough to fall behind Manuel? Wonderful news. Whatever happened to the pro cassel narrative you pushed "cuz Ej" Those were funny times. Realist party has disbanded. What the hell are you talking about? You're a real nincompoop, has anyone ever told you that? And what's with your infatuation with 'z's?' "Billz," "LOLZ," "cuz?" Edited September 4, 2015 by metzelaars_lives
reddogblitz Posted September 4, 2015 Posted September 4, 2015 (edited) But please understand that every report out of camp had Taylor ahead Manuel going into the preseason. That's really not up for debate. I saw reports saying EJ played well too. I also saw reports that Darby was looking really good. So what? Reports from camp by sports writers means nothing. As a fan I only go by what I see on the field which is all that counts anyway. I saw EJ out perform everyone else on stats that are often trotted out on TBD to prove who is the best QB. Things like points, TD passes, YPA, QB rating, and yards. Look it up Thurman. Tyrod's main strength on TBD is that he didn't play QB for the Bills the last 2 years under Coach Moron and Hackett Jr. Tyrod played well and I hope for the best. If EJ makes the team he'll get in at some point and we'll see what happens. If Tyrod is #1, then EJ is 1A. Go Tyrod !! Go BILLS !! Edited September 4, 2015 by reddogblitz
metzelaars_lives Posted September 4, 2015 Posted September 4, 2015 I saw reports saying EJ played well too. I also saw reports that Darby was looking really good. So what? Reports from camp by sports writers means nothing. As a fan I only go by what I see on the field which is all that counts anyway. I saw EJ out perform everyone else on stats that are often trotted out on TBD to prove who is the best QB. Things like points, TD passes, YPA, QB rating, and yards. Look it up Thurman. Tyrod's main strength on TBD is that he didn't play QB for the Bills the last 2 years under Coach Moron and Hackett Jr. Tyrod played well and I hope for the best. If EJ makes the team he'll get in at some point and we'll see what happens. If Tyrod is #1, then EJ is 1A. Go Tyrod !! Go BILLS !! Of course EJ makes the team. But as I've said a million times, John Murphy who was pulling for EJ more than Bills Fan 4 Life multiplied by Ryan L Billz and who watched every second of practice, stated right around the time of the first preseason game, "the other two guys seem to really be progressing and learning the offense and I'm just not seeing it with EJ," to which Mark Kelso agreed. Just last week, Sal C and the Bills Digest guy, who also watched every practice, said that despite Manuel's preseason play, he simply dug too big a hole for himself in camp. It's the same narrative echoed by the Rochester guy, the Syracuse guy, et al. You can choose not to believe everybody, that's fine. I, for one, do. haha! Was hoping someone would catch that.
reddogblitz Posted September 4, 2015 Posted September 4, 2015 Of course EJ makes the team. But as I've said a million times, John Murphy who was pulling for EJ more than Bills Fan 4 Life multiplied by Ryan L Billz and who watched every second of practice, stated right around the time of the first preseason game, "the other two guys seem to really be progressing and learning the offense and I'm just not seeing it with EJ," to which Mark Kelso agreed. Just last week, Sal C and the Bills Digest guy, who also watched every practice, said that despite Manuel's preseason play, he simply dug too big a hole for himself in camp. It's the same narrative echoed by the Rochester guy, the Syracuse guy, et al. You can choose not to believe everybody, that's fine. I, for one, do. Was hoping someone would catch that. Cool. Whatever observations they made didn't seem to translate to the field. So, I have to question the reporters. They missed something evidently.
metzelaars_lives Posted September 4, 2015 Posted September 4, 2015 Cool. Whatever observations they made didn't seem to translate to the field. So, I have to question the reporters. They missed something evidently. So your contention is that it's impossible that Manuel played better in the preseason than he did in camp?
Big Gun Posted September 4, 2015 Posted September 4, 2015 (edited) That's fair. I was at the Green Bay game when Edwards went out by running out of bounds short of the line of scrimmage on fourth down. We've all watched preseason. I think Taylor was the best, Manuel the second best. If you wanna say Manuel was ever so slightly better, fine. I think you're trying to see something that's not there but fine, it's not an absurd opinion to have. But please understand that every report out of camp had Taylor ahead Manuel going into the preseason. That's really not up for debate. So if Taylor was way ahead of Manuel going into the preseason, did Manuel do enough to unseat him? Or put it this way- if Taylor was ahead, did he play poorly enough to fall behind Manuel? What the hell are you talking about? You're a real nincompoop, has anyone ever told you that? And what's with your infatuation with 'z's?' "Billz," "LOLZ," "cuz?" That's code for, he's a legend in his own mind! Edited September 4, 2015 by old school
reddogblitz Posted September 4, 2015 Posted September 4, 2015 So your contention is that it's impossible that Manuel played better in the preseason than he did in camp? Sure, anything's possible. I also heard many reports of Tyrod struggling at practice too btw. Some guys are good gamers and some are good practice players. Give me the gamer.
metzelaars_lives Posted September 4, 2015 Posted September 4, 2015 Sure, anything's possible. I also heard many reports of Tyrod struggling at practice too btw. Some guys are good gamers and some are good practice players. Give me the gamer. Do regular season games count for you too or just preseason games?
reddogblitz Posted September 4, 2015 Posted September 4, 2015 (edited) Do regular season games count for you too or just preseason games? Yes, but there haven't been any yet. It's a new season. If you are talking about judging EJ on past RS games will you do the same for Tyrod? Edited September 4, 2015 by reddogblitz
1billsfan Posted September 4, 2015 Posted September 4, 2015 Of course EJ makes the team. But as I've said a million times, John Murphy who was pulling for EJ more than Bills Fan 4 Life multiplied by Ryan L Billz and who watched every second of practice, stated right around the time of the first preseason game, "the other two guys seem to really be progressing and learning the offense and I'm just not seeing it with EJ," to which Mark Kelso agreed. Just last week, Sal C and the Bills Digest guy, who also watched every practice, said that despite Manuel's preseason play, he simply dug too big a hole for himself in camp. It's the same narrative echoed by the Rochester guy, the Syracuse guy, et al. You can choose not to believe everybody, that's fine. I, for one, do. You are talking about the initial 11 practices into training camp for a 25 year old QB who had never had professional NFL coaching before (anyone seriously want to debate this?) and who was learning a brand new offense that is probably light years ahead of Marrone's offense. The EJ supporters saw a dramatic rise in his play as the preseason games were being played. EJ's stats were crazy good. We see Manuel as a future franchise QB because in the preseason games he was playing the prototypical style of probably 9 of the last 10 Superbowl winning QBs. You obviously bought into the local media's narrative that Manuel will never amount to much and that the preseason games meant almost nothing. That Taylor is the real deal because he was steady in his play from the get go. I personally think the local media guys are dumb. I also think that Marrone is dumb. All of their combined low opinions on EJ Manuel makes me believe in the QB even more. I think Taylor could be something special, but his style of play is so rare for ultimate Superbowl winning success. If he does play like Russell Wilson by being clutch and beating great teams then I'm good with him as our future franchise QB. But IMO I think the chance is much greater that Manuel is going to become a franchise QB over Taylor.
metzelaars_lives Posted September 4, 2015 Posted September 4, 2015 Yes, but there haven't been any yet. It's a new season. If you are talking about judging EJ on past RS games will you do the same for Tyrod? Yes of course I will judge Tyrod Taylor based upon his regular season performance. You are talking about the initial 11 practices into training camp for a 25 year old QB who had never had professional NFL coaching before (anyone seriously want to debate this?) and who was learning a brand new offense that is probably light years ahead of Marrone's offense. The EJ supporters saw a dramatic rise in his play as the preseason games were being played. EJ's stats were crazy good. We see Manuel as a future franchise QB because in the preseason games he was playing the prototypical style of probably 9 of the last 10 Superbowl winning QBs. You obviously bought into the local media's narrative that Manuel will never amount to much and that the preseason games meant almost nothing. That Taylor is the real deal because he was steady in his play from the get go. I personally think the local media guys are dumb. I also think that Marrone is dumb. All of their combined low opinions on EJ Manuel makes me believe in the QB even more. I think Taylor could be something special, but his style of play is so rare for ultimate Superbowl winning success. If he does play like Russell Wilson by being clutch and beating great teams then I'm good with him as our future franchise QB. But IMO I think the chance is much greater that Manuel is going to become a franchise QB over Taylor. Nope, no I didn't. I'm simply arguing that I think it's pretty clear that Taylor won the job fair and square and if you think otherwise, it's sour grapes. I've never said that preseason means nothing. I'm saying that if all you judge the whole thing on is what you see when you watch a preseason game and think that should be all that factors into the coaches' decision, then you don't understand how it works.
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted September 4, 2015 Posted September 4, 2015 You're aware that I've already stated that I think Manuel has done enough to move up to #2, right? I didn't yet. but good on ya!!
TSOL Posted September 4, 2015 Posted September 4, 2015 What really cemented my opinion of EJ being the better QB, is when we first signed TT Schoop, and even moreso Bulldog jumped right on that train. Bulldog chose TT as his favorite for starter, with all the usual disclaimers, of course. But at that time i said to myself, i said self, whoever these two idiots pick as their favorite QB, im picking the opposite. Of course, im kidding, ive been watching and supporting EJ since we drafted him. Well, maybe half kidding. Because that really was one additional reason to root for him
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted September 4, 2015 Posted September 4, 2015 (edited) I can't believe there are posters on here who have the gall to think that they saw enough and know more than the Bills brass in terms of who should have been named the starter. I pay pretty close attention to this stuff guys. Everyone on planet Earth had EJ behind Cassel and Taylor in camp. Everyone. In the preseason, I think Taylor showed the most. I think EJ played great but I think Taylor was even better. Most everyone agrees with this as well. There has been a HUGE buzz throughout the NFL surrounding Taylor all summer. It was a relatively easy decision for the coaches. I'm not sure what some of you are missing here. keep telling yourself that. All the league thought EJ sucks, he's playing with the 3's etc etc etc ... Poor Matt Cassel hardly played in the practice games. that had to say something That's fair, you seem like a reasonable poster to be honest. I just think it's a little ridiculous if you guys are nitpicking at Taylor all year and acting like a mistake by Taylor is a victory for the EJ supporters when that is the guy who EJ could not beat out in the first place. If Brian Hoyer falters that doesn't mean that Ryan Mallet is good or would be any better. puhlease!!! We nitpick every QB on the roster. TT is no different. And FTR IMO he's earned the starting spot from practice games. We have yes to see how successful he is in real games. No dig, no insult. plain simple truth Edited September 4, 2015 by BillsFan-4-Ever
Delete This Account Posted September 5, 2015 Posted September 5, 2015 Is this guy still credible after all the misinformation he has dealt out regarding the QB's? Probably not. jw
YoloinOhio Posted September 5, 2015 Posted September 5, 2015 (edited) Browns cut Thad. They are down to one healthy QB. I wonder if a Cassel trade is in the works. Their fans want EJ of course. Edited September 5, 2015 by YoloinOhio
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