BobChalmers Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 Tyrod : 40 yard dash = 4.51 s , Vertical Jump = 37.5 in, Broad Jump = 126 in, 3 cone drill = 6.78 s, 20 yard shuttle = 4.09s EJ : 40 yard dash = 4.65 s , Vertical Jump = 34.0 in, Broad Jump = 118 in, 3 cone drill = 7.98 s, 20 yard shuttle = 4.21s Those are some big differences in speed and agility between the two. True - on the other hand, we're still waiting for Cassel to finish his drills from 11 years ago... i think if Matt Simms doesn't completely screw up on Thurs then he gets the 3rd string QB job and Cassel is cut. I don't agree with it but it makes financial sense. You can't spend that much $ on a 3rd string QB Really good point - if Simms looks bad Thursday night, they may feel compelled to hang on to Cassel.
thebandit27 Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 i think if Matt Simms doesn't completely screw up on Thurs then he gets the 3rd string QB job and Cassel is cut. I don't agree with it but it makes financial sense. You can't spend that much $ on a 3rd string QB Also have to think of the cap rollover implications...4 big FAs to sign this offseason, as well as RFAs like Corbin Bryant.
26CornerBlitz Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 @ChrisTrapasso More #Bills cap info: As mentioned, Matt Cassel's cap hit in 2015 is $4.7M. EJ Manuel, Tyrod Taylor and Matt Simms combined cap hit = $3.78M Manuel showed improved accuracy and, almost as importantly, advanced pocket drifting ability in camp and especially in the preseason games.
eball Posted September 2, 2015 Author Posted September 2, 2015 Tyrod : 40 yard dash = 4.51 s , Vertical Jump = 37.5 in, Broad Jump = 126 in, 3 cone drill = 6.78 s, 20 yard shuttle = 4.09s EJ : 40 yard dash = 4.65 s , Vertical Jump = 34.0 in, Broad Jump = 118 in, 3 cone drill = 7.98 s, 20 yard shuttle = 4.21s Those are some big differences in speed and agility between the two. I didn't suggest EJ matched TT in speed and agility...just that he is a mobile, athletic QB who can run the same plays as TT. Cassel, on the other hand...
VABills Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 Tyrod : 40 yard dash = 4.51 s , Vertical Jump = 37.5 in, Broad Jump = 126 in, 3 cone drill = 6.78 s, 20 yard shuttle = 4.09s EJ : 40 yard dash = 4.65 s , Vertical Jump = 34.0 in, Broad Jump = 118 in, 3 cone drill = 7.98 s, 20 yard shuttle = 4.21s Those are some big differences in speed and agility between the two. Cassel 40 yard = 4.78 vertical - 34 Broad = 115" 3 cone = 7.2 20 yard = 4.06 On the face of it, looks like Cassel is better from an agility standpoint than EJ and in fact on 20 faster than TT.
Dr. Who Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 Tyrod : 40 yard dash = 4.51 s , Vertical Jump = 37.5 in, Broad Jump = 126 in, 3 cone drill = 6.78 s, 20 yard shuttle = 4.09s EJ : 40 yard dash = 4.65 s , Vertical Jump = 34.0 in, Broad Jump = 118 in, 3 cone drill = 7.98 s, 20 yard shuttle = 4.21s Those are some big differences in speed and agility between the two. EJ is more of the Ben Roethlisberger type athleticism. He's still lightyears more fit to keep a similar offense to what TT will run than Molasses in January Cassel. Aside from that, EJ has potential. He improved dramatically during the course of the pre-season. Only the foolish are blind to this and overtly or snidely imply that EJ should be cut or traded.
eball Posted September 2, 2015 Author Posted September 2, 2015 Cassel 40 yard = 4.78 vertical - 34 Broad = 115" 3 cone = 7.2 20 yard = 4.06 On the face of it, looks like Cassel is better from an agility standpoint than EJ and in fact on 20 faster than TT. May we please not insult everyone's intelligence by suggesting the 33-year old Matt Cassel has anything close to the speed or agility of either TT or EJ? Did you see his "scramble" on Saturday? He did the unthinkable -- he made Fred Jackson look fast.
The Dean Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 Cassel 40 yard = 4.78 vertical - 34 Broad = 115" 3 cone = 7.2 20 yard = 4.06 On the face of it, looks like Cassel is better from an agility standpoint than EJ and in fact on 20 faster than TT. That's why you can't just look at these numbers to draw conclusions.
prissythecat Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 I didn't suggest EJ matched TT in speed and agility...just that he is a mobile, athletic QB who can run the same plays as TT. Cassel, on the other hand... Thats fair. I would never expect Cassel to be considered for any Read Option type setup lol
VABills Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 May we please not insult everyone's intelligence by suggesting the 33-year old Matt Cassel has anything close to the speed or agility of either TT or EJ? Did you see his "scramble" on Saturday? He did the unthinkable -- he made Fred Jackson look fast. And looking at EJ's numbers or TT's from 4 years ago isn't fair either. EJ said he gained 8-10 pounds in off season. You think he is even close to his numbers from the combine? Cassel also doesn't get sacked as much, which means he probably is more agile and with awareness less likely to get hurt and avoid the negative yards.
KOKBILLS Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 Cassel 40 yard = 4.78 vertical - 34 Broad = 115" 3 cone = 7.2 20 yard = 4.06 On the face of it, looks like Cassel is better from an agility standpoint than EJ and in fact on 20 faster than TT. Really?
LeGOATski Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 Cassel 40 yard = 4.78 vertical - 34 Broad = 115" 3 cone = 7.2 20 yard = 4.06 On the face of it, looks like Cassel is better from an agility standpoint than EJ and in fact on 20 faster than TT. Great point. Let's run the meh option.
VABills Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 Really? Actually yes, those are his numbers.
26CornerBlitz Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 Great point. Let's run the meh option. News Flash! This is 2015!
eball Posted September 2, 2015 Author Posted September 2, 2015 Actually yes, those are his numbers. From 11 (?) years ago. I'm sure if anything he has gotten faster.
LeGOATski Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 (edited) Cassel also doesn't get sacked as much. Not saying you're wrong, but I'd like to see those numbers. Edited September 2, 2015 by LeGOATski
VABills Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 http://www.sportsworldreport.com/articles/59653/20150831/buffalo-bills-rumors-ej-manuel-released-tyrod-taylor-named-starter-matt-cassel-backup-lesean-mccoy-karlos-williams-boobie-dixon-replace-fred-jackson.htm Rumor here is that EJ gets cut?
Dr. Who Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 Vic Carucci @viccarucci 17m17 minutes agoExpectation of multiple #NFL personnel people is the #Bills will cut Matt Cassel & keep EJ Manuel, who has strong support from Doug Whaley.
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